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now we're cooking! so Jussie, if we were go for the yamato and uda smiths more particularly where possible- what would that final list look like? (if you're interested of course, have already been accused of being too 'demanding')

Uda pattern possibly for the multiple choices- Uda as a province or region, I presume?

Impressively thorough work there jussie!

I find it very common for the upper class throughout pre-Meiji history to have significantly higher 'old' ages for obvious, less adverse life conditions.

I forget where I read this, maybe Nakahara, but on the subject of utsuri, lost and found ,etc -was it a reflection of better ability to withstand impact trauma?

3) Signed Katana with mumei wakizashis. Makes sense under the utilitarian-based bushido of the very act they were about to undertake. ie your primary blade should be the most reliable. question- am i right in believing wakizashis were the more personal reflections of their personal honour? (I would expect this as it would spend most of its life at their hip, and would ultimately be the blade they could be required to commit seppuku with)

1). Some smiths look popular across- ie Hiromitsu, Norimitsu seemed popular 2). Daishos from a single smith (at least in provenance obviously)

was wondering what insights people draw from this limited information? OISHI KURANOSUKE YOSHIKATSU, age 45 katana mei: Norinaga (1,2), length 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: Norinaga (1,2), length 2 shaku te yari YOSHIDA CHUZAEMON KANESUKE, age 64 katana attribution: Shimada (1,x), length 2 shaku 2 sun wakizashi mei: Hiromitsu (3,1), length 1 shaku 1 sun naga yari (long yari) HARA SOEMON MOTOTOKI, age 56 katana mei: Hirohuni (3,1), length 2 shaku 9 sun wakizashi mei: Kunisuke (1,2), length 2 shaku te yari KATAOKA GENGOEMON TAKAFUSA, age 37 katana mei: Kunimitsu (2,1), length 2 shaku 7 sun wakizashi mei: Kunishige (1,2), length unknown te yari MASE KYUDAIU MASAAKI, age 63 katana mei: Michitaka (1,2), length 2 shaku 1 sun wakizashi mei: Yoshitsuna (1,2), length 2 shaku bow and arrow ONODERA JYUNAI HIDEKAZU, age 61 katana mei: Michinaga (1,2), length 2 shaku 9 sun wakizashi mei: Kunisuke (2,2), length 1 shaku 9 sun te yari HAZAMA KIHEI MITSUNOBU, age 65 katana mei: mumei (unsigned), lenght 2 shaku 9 sun wakizashi mei: Teruhiro (2,2), length 2 shaku 1 sun ISOGAI JYUROZEMON MASAHISA, age 25 katana mei: Mitsumori (1,1), length 2 shaku 9 sun wakizashi mei: Kunimune (2,1), length 2 shaku te yari HORIBEI YAHYOE AKIZANE, age 77 katana mei: mumei, length 3 shaku wakizashi: none naginata CHIKAMATSU KANROKU YUKISHIGE, age 34 katana mei: Mitsuyoshi (2,2), length 2 shaku wakizashi mei: unknown, length unknown long yari TOMIMORI SUKEEMON MASAYORI, age 34 katana mei: Tomokuni (2,1), length 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: Mitsushige (1,2), length unknown long yari SHIOTA MATANOJYO TAKANORI, age 35 katana mei: Kunihisa (1,1), length 2 shaku 4 sun wakizashi mei: Kunihisa (1,1), length 1 shaku 6 sun HAYAMI TOZAEMON MITSUTAKA, age 42 katana mei: Hiromitsu (3,1), length 2 shaku 7 sun wakizashi mei: unknown, length unknown bow and arrow AKABANE GENZO SHIGEKATA, age 35 katana mei: mumei, length unknown wakizashi mei: unknown, length unknown OKUDA MAGODAIU SHIGEMORI, age 57 katana mei: Kunitaka (1,2), length 2 shaku 4 sun wakizashi mei: unknown, length 1 shaku 6 sun YADA GOROEMON SUKETAKA, age 29 katana mei: Kunisuke (1,2), length 2 shaku wakizashi mei: mumei, length 1 shaku 6 sun OISHI SEZAEMON NOBUKIYO, age 29 katana mei: mumei, length 2 shaku 9 sun wakizashi mei: mumei, length 1 shaku 9 sun long yari OISHI SHIKARA YOSHIKANE, age 16 katana mei: Tomokuni (2,1), length 2 shaku 2 sun plus wakizashi mei: Hiroshige (3,2), length 1 shaku 1 sun short yari HORIBE YASUBEI TAKETSUNE, age 34 katana mei: Kanekuni (2,1), lenght 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: mumei, length unknown NAKAMURA KANSUKE MASATOKI, age ? katana mei: Nagakuni (1,1), length 2 shaku 4 sun wakizashi mei: mumei, length unknown long yari SUGANOYA HANNOJYO MASATOSHI, age 44 katana mei: Michinaga (1,2), length 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: mumei, length unknown FUWA KAZUEMON MASATANE, age 34 katana mei: Norimitsu (1,1), length unknown wakizashi mei: Norimitsu (1,1), length unknown KIMURA OKAUEMON SADAYUKI, age 46 katana mei: Norimitsu (1,1), length 2 shaku 6 sun wakizashi mei: mumei, length 2 shaku 1 sun OHIBA SABUROBYOE MITSUTADA, age 51 katana mei: Yasutaka (1,2), length 2 shaku 4 sun wakizashi mei: Yasutaka (1,2), length 2 shaku bow and arrow OKANO KINUEMON KANEHIDE, age 24 katana mei: Tomohisa (2,1), length 2 shaku 4 sun wakizashi mei: Michinaga (1,2), length unknown jyumonji yari KAIGA YAZAEMON TOMONOBU, age 54 katana mei: mumei, length unknown wakizashi mei: mumei, length unknown OTAKA GENGO TADAO, age 32 katana mei: Tomohisa (2,1), length 2 shaku 6 sun wakizashi mei: Masakuni (5,1), length 9 sun 5 bu OKAJIMA YASOUEMON TSUNEKI, age 38 katana mei: Tomokuni (2,2), length 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: Tomokuni (2,2), length 1 shaku 4 sun YOSHIDA SAWAUEMON KANESADA, age 29 katana attribution: Mizuta, length 2 shaku 9 sun wakizashi attribution: Mizuta, length 1 shaku 8 sun long yari TAKEBAYASHI TADAHICHI TAKASHIGE, age 32 katana mei: Hirokuni (1,1), length 2 shaku wakizashi attribution: Mizuta, length 1 shaku 6 sun long yari KURAHASHI DENSUKE TAKEYUKI, age 34 katana mei: Hirokuni (1,2), length 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: mumei. length 2 shaku HAZAMA SHINROKURO MITSUKAZE, age 24 katana mei: Kunisuke (2,2), length 2 shaku 2 sun wakizashi mei: Kunisuke (2,2), length unknown te yari MURAMATSU KIHEI HIDENAO, agae 62 katana mei: Kuninaga (1,1), length 2 shaku 8 sun wakizashi mei: Samuhiro (?,1), length 2 shaku 4 sun long yari

understood. Whats the risk in going lower than 30 out of interest?

Rivkin- to sum up, display case with controlled humidity(35-40, no sea air) but not sealed(but closed) for unoiled blades, that will need occasional oil wipe?

Exotic gas, hermetically sealed display - sorry no museum, no exhibit, no probably places like sokendo that do show unoiled bare blades do that. Way too exotic. sorry- please clarify this last bit sealed gas not done because of cost. But could alleviate the remaining risk, ie wouldnt be a negative per se? The bowls with liquids you see in Japanese museums next to swords is not choji oil.... They are typically WATER to "protect" the lacquered koshirae when its exhibited in the same case as the blade. Which is sort of silly, but the tradition is tradition. Somebody told museum folks the lacquer has to be exhbitied with bowls of water, and so it went. Did not know that- I thought it was choji oil. Which confused me even more after i read on yuhindo that choji oil can be corrosive in many cases

well i am dealing with having to presume on your presumptions, so please forgive me. You've gone from a hermetically sealed exotic gas filled storage unit, and now like the idea of long term storage of your naked blade in an atmosphere with 30 to 40% humidity....good luck with that. Why bother with a case at all, just set it out on a stand and be done with it. Liking the previous comment wasnt me changing a plan, just acknowledging the comment. The recommended temperature for museum items is 16 to 20°C. Relative humidity should not drop below 40% or rise above 70% -Basic museum advice. Aim for 40-60% RH, according to the condition of metal and oxide formation or the presence of organic components. Unstable and corroding metals may need dryer conditions, as low as 10%. -Arms, armour and metals advice Remember- So I'm trying to configure a wall mounted display case, electronically controlled atmosphere, maybe filled with gas So next presumption is- you think 30%-40% is a terrible idea? Please appreciate it feels like i'm beginning to get competing advice (although I may not be understanding something which might be why it seems competing, which I'm more than happy to be corrected on)

ok now you're confusing me! humidity controlling and exotic gas being competing objectives i presume(ie if i do one i don't need to do the other) Can you control humidity enough to the point where corrosion is not a risk at all(sensible once a year wipe being expected)? Seems risky? (wall mounted case not a stand because I'm not creating museum in my study where a kid is going to knock over centuries of metallurgy into his face...and scratch the hamon)

quick list of points to consider- massive culture difference so a lot of the Japanese things had no transferable value like a german thing would. ww1 already happened and everyone brought pike helmets back from that. expectation second time around was bring me something. germans had a massive array of medals, combat clasps etc. because their army was structured to be a meritocracy almost to the absolute. us army actually copies their uniforming practice as a result. (air assault clasp, close combat clasp etc) Japan wasnt that advanced (towns still wood, yeah they had amazing mitsubishis)- trinkets werent that interesting for your average gi. swords, well who doesnt like those. Tea cup? I'll pass. German helmet, yes please= hells angels later on

seems likely this occurred in the streets of kyoto inbetween factions vying for power. One of the asakura factions was beaten out of the city that year ( which would explain why theres little official record elsewhere)