Dan tsuba
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Gary, Looks like some nice pieces! Thanks for sharing.
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Someone should develop a cheap non-invasive metallurgical test to discern between cast iron and hand forged iron. Where have I read that before! Ha, ha, ha, ha, etc! Onward!
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Sam I agree, let's not derail this thread. So, what is your opinion on the tsuba? Cast iron or hand forged? My opinion it is cast iron. But then again, what the heck do I know (not very much and nothing for sure!). Onward!
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Thanks Sam. What you say may be true. I have one question. Are you a tsuba dealer?
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So, opinions are that the tsuba shown by Kurikata may be cast iron. As member Jussi Ekholm stated “The 癸巳 is year in the 60 year Zodiac cycle. As we had good posts on tsuba age and dates, I think these might be plausible ones. 1593, 1653, 1713, 1773. 十月 would be 10th month.” So, are you telling me this is a cast iron tsuba possibly made in the Edo period or before? No, no way! That goes against everything that anybody knows about tsuba! Or I can refer you to my "Tsuba casting molds?" thread. Onward!
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Cast iron or not cast iron. Keep on guessing. Even the so called "experts" (Grand Masters) can't seem to figure it out! Who will ever invent a cheap non-invasive metallurgical test to determine and discern cast iron from hand forged iron? Wait, that has already been discussed before on another thread!. Let's not go there (again!)! My personal opinion is that this tsuba is cast iron. But then again, what the heck do I know! Let me see how many downvotes this post will get me! Ha, ha, ha, ha, etc! Onward! . .
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Yeah! Don't get me started! Sand cast, cast iron. Probably made last week! But it does show how well intricate casting can be done (and could have been done in the Edo period?). My opinion!
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Just guessing here about the square. On the internet it states- “What does a square mean in Japanese culture? Shikaku means “square” in Japanese. To us, it's a word full of meaning and symbolism. It represents harmony, stability, balance, and structure, some of the main traits of Japanese culture and cuisine.Sep 5, 2022” The square is also found in Zen, refer to the below link- https://www.greenshinto.com/2016/01/31/zen-and-shinto-4-square-triangle-circle/ A zen picture is shown below-
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Iron Tsuba eagle & monkey -> Carved & antique or cast & modern ?
Dan tsuba replied to Zantetsuken's topic in Tosogu
Hello Simon, Welcome to this great forum. I don’t know much about anything, but I would say your tsuba is cast iron and made fairly recently. There are many good threads on this forum which discuss how to tell a real authentic Edo period tsuba from a fairly newly made fake or reproduction tsuba. I hope you didn’t pay too much for that tsuba. Before you purchase another tsuba, maybe you can post a picture of it on this forum and ask some of the world’s leading experts on tsuba (my opinion) for their thoughts and opinions of the piece. Onward! -
Hokke, Well stated. I get it. But I still have hope for my friend. I pray for his health.
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My good friend Dale, Obviously, you had many members deeply worried about you. One of your good friends even had a welfare status check done on you. I am surprised that you haven’t gone to a neighbor’s house to use their internet or to a public library to use their internet to let everyone know that you are O.K. after the welfare check. Perhaps you thought it was to intrusive? I miss you, my friend. I hope that you resolve the technical issues with your crappy internet stuff soon. This forum needs you Spartancrest! Helll, I also need you my friend! Onward!
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Please my friends, I am super concerned. Although my gut tells me that something unforutnate has occurred. Althiough I pray that he is well. May God answer my prayers for my friend and his well being.
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This forum means nothing to me anymore without Spartancrest. His vast knowledge, kindness, and humor is sorely missed. His expertise would certainly shed tons of information on any thread. Where is my friend?
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Forum members, and others. I noticed this thread has garnered a lot of views (and therefore interest) within the last couple of days. Thank you all for your interest in this thread. I am still trying to find research on this subject, and will post it if it is relevant. On a side note, I am wondering where my friend Spartancrest is? I pray that he is well. Onward to more research!
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Thanks, Peter and Mal, for the great assistance! Yes (Peter) it is a dragon tsuba that I purchased for about 150 U.S. (pictures attached). It looks like it is hand forged (although there are a lot of cast copies out there!). Your translation directed me to another thread on this forum which discusses the tsuba and the school- https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/46711-a-tsuba-with-ryu-design-kinai-school-signed-edo-period-for-your-comment-and-appreciation/ And Mal attached a download with a whole bunch of great information! Thanks guys!
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I would like assistance in translating this mei. I have included a couple of pictures of the seppa-dai with the mei to maybe assist in helping to figure it out. Thanks!
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Some past sanmai tsuba threads on NMB- https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/11578-kinko-san-mai-tsuba/ https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/29248-stampedcastchiseled-tsuba/ https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/39026-edo-sanmai-tsuba-and-fittings/ https://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/48173-show-me-your-sanmai-tsuba/ These threads show many sanmai type tsuba and have a lot of good information.
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Where is Spartancrest? I hope and pray that he is O.K.! Without his vast knowledge and scholarly research, it will send this forum back into the Dark Ages! Just my opinion. Needless to say, I am concerned!
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John C., The presence of a fukurin on a sanmai tsuba is just my opinion (backed up with the reference that Geriant stated) and the two sanmai tsuba that I have in my collection. But I guess the hate and downvotes will continue for me. I have no idea why, but it is what it is! Onward to more learning and fun!
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Jean, There you go again! Sanmai tsuba with fukurin are shown in the link provided by Geraint and referred to below- https://www.Japanese...com/tsuba/sanmai.htm In my collection I also have two sanmai tsuba that have fukurin (and I will include pictures if you so desire). In your post you stated- “Not all SAN MAI TSUBA have a FUKURIN, some are riveted together, some are glued with URUSHI, others can even be brazed together.” Please, can you back up your statements with references or pictures. I will no longer just take your word (or opinions) of what you state (after about 6 years of your opinions regarding my threads ) without backing up your statements with references or pictures. That shouldn’t be so difficult to do.
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John, I can't discern if it is a sanmai tsuba. I does not look like one because it has no fukurin on the mimi and it looks to be made of iron. If you could provide better pictures (in focus), maybe then I and other members can help you out. But my initial evaluation is no, it is not sanmai. It does not appear as if it is folded steel. Maybe it is one of those tsuba that has a thin layer of cast iron placed on the surface of the tsuba and then the motif was placed onto the tsuba or molded into the cast iron. Hell, I don't know! It is just my best guess! I brought that up in another thread, but I can't remember which one! Onward!
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Geraint, Thanks for the link about sanmai tsuba. Good informatiion!
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Hey Dee, Good hearing from you! Maybe the motifs are slightly different on the ura and omote sides (but I can't see it - maybe I need new glasses!). Maybe some of the flowers were not as fully gilded as the others? But, I still think that these are sanmai tsuba. I hope some other members chime in with their opinions (because I am probably wrong, once again!).
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Sanmai tsuba have the same motif on the ura and omote side because the same master plate is used to make the pressed motif that appears on the tsuba plates. They also have a fukurin on the mimi to keep the tsuba plates from splitting away from the core. So, I would say that these tsuba are sanmai type tsuba. Again, they don’t look bad for sanmai type tsuba, even though it appears there has been some slight raising (in some small areas) of one of the plates. My opinion.
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I agree wth Geraint, The tsuba appear to be sanmai construction. They seem to look O.K. to me for sanmai. But I am probably wrong, once again!
