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EDIT*** I think I might have found where the confusion lies. I guess Nosyuiaido made shinken which might be getting mixed up with Nosyudo. It was sold to me as a Nosyudo but I was ignorant at the time as well as the seller. I think it was an honest mistake. Still wondering why a higher end Chinese sword maker would have Japanese characters in pencil on the inside of the saya mouth. I think they are reference marks when the two saya halfs were joined. Could still be a Kaneie too. Nosyiaido is headquartered in Japan but has Chinese manufacturing plants. The fittings are Japanese. Here is a link from E-budo http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?3230-Nosyuiaido-Copy-Cat-Blades
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You guys are probably right. I haven't heard back from Nosyudo yet, but it's probably a Chinese tamahagane blade with the tsuka, fittings, habaki, and final finish done in Japan. The date required nakago pretty much some it up by law. The Nosyudo website shows the the tsuka being hand shaped and fitted, the habaki being made and fitted, ito being wrapped, and final blade polishing being done in Japan. It's probably a hybrid to keep cost down and get by the strict laws.
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New Member Introductions
NihontoNewbie replied to Dusty62's topic in General Nihonto Related Discussion
Hello everyone, my name is Erick and I am from the Boston Massachusetts area. I have already learned a lot these first few days trying to read everything this forum has to offer. Members have already reached out to offer their services. I just want to give a big thank you to everyone. There is a ton to learn, but luckily I found some informed people. I have 2 nihonto on the way... a Mino wakizashi and a Bizen tanto. Hopefully they will be here in a month or so. I am eyeing a katana now but still haven't pulled the trigger. I will be sure to post pics because We all love eye candy. I have been an avid gun collector and competitive handgun shooter for 30 years. Please feel free to hit me up with any firearm or shooting short questions... I can answer those pretty easily, it's the nihonto stuff I need to learn. I've been cutting and collecting katana (high end Chinese made cutters). I just recently discovered that true nihonto can be found and obtained fairly easily. I am addicted now! I have been trying to absorb all things nihonto. Hopefully I will learn fast because the passion is there. Thanks again everyone and please be patient with me. I promise to read and absorb everything I can so I don't sound to much like a newb ???????? -
I will send pictures to Nosyudo.jp and see what they say. You guys are probably right. The seller on the west coast took it to a katana shop in San Diego. According to the it is a true Nosyudo... whether they had their blades made by a good Chinese forge will hopefully be answered soon. I contacted the seller last night who gave me the number of the sword shop who gave him the info. I guess it's a place called Miramar aikido and iaido I will also post pics of the kissaki when I get out of work. The seller is also selling high end Chinese swords as well. He lists these as Chinese made, but this one specifically said Japan forged, but I think it might just be simple a case of simple ignorance (much like what I am going through). I love the sword either way. It was well worth the price of admission. I use my swords on a regular basis so this one will make a great addition. It really needs to be held and swung to fully appreciate it. My other Paul Chen cutters don't compare although the Paul Chen Lion Dog can cut through an Osmobile! It's a beast. Let's see what the maker has to say. I am fimiliar with Kaneie sword, some can still be found for sale. They are highly regarded and sought after. KOA had a few for sale not to long ago. I have heard the owner of Nosyudo is suppose to be a great guy to all who visit his forge. Hopefully they get back to me. Thanks for all the help guys.????
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Visit the website Nosyudo. They are definitely made in Japan. I guess some practioners visit Japan on a regular basis and bring these back as personal items. I read were Nosyudo was associated with a distributed here in the US but a legal battle took place... don't know the specifics. Nosyudo is a well know sword maker in Seki Japan. I am almost positive it is truely a Japanese made blade. They are well known for their quality. Swordforum International has nothing but good things to say.
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Here are some pics of the nakago and a link to Nosyudo shinken webpage. I can't make heads or tails of the characters but someone might be able to read if it's water or oil quenched. http://nosyudo.jp/shinken/
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I paid $2000 usd. Did I get taken? I don't think I will cut with it. I have no idea what they go for. The antique nihonto seem to be easier to find information on. I wish I could read Japanese because Nosyudo's website looks to have a ton of info. Big sigh of relief here guys. Thanks for easing my fears.
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It arrived this morning, it is suppose to be a Nosyudo shinken. I bought it used in "excellent condition". There are a couple very small knicks on the cutting edge and you can tell it was used on tameshingi but it is overall it's acceptable. I thought the shipping box was empty because it was incredibly light. Upon unboxing I discovered one of the lightest most well balanced blades I ever held. It has a 30in nagasa which is perfect for my sasquach size frame. I have a number of high end Paul Chen swords, but nothing comes close to the feel is this one. I think the deep bo hi reduce weight considerably. It has amazing balance and feel. I took some close up shot of the hada and hamon. It appears to be tamahagane, but I will leave that to more informed members. Any assistance would be much appreciated. I took it apart which was very easy compared to my Chinese cutters. It went back together rock solid with just a couple taps on the fuchi. It is clear the nakago was properly fitted to the tsuka. The ito possesses very tight wrapping with beautiful knots. The saya is very light and narrow. It has zero blade rattle when shaken or tapped on the side. There are Japanese characters in pencil on the inside of the saya. There is a little bit of discoloration, almost as if oiled dried on it and stained the blade. It's not full polish, maybe a step above tameshigiri polish especially in the deep wide bo hi. There is also tiny rust color dots near the cutting edge about and inch long. I know it's not an antique. Those are one the way. Would a quality ushiko works? Should I just leave it alone and keep it oiled? Sorry to ramble on, I am just hoping it's the real deal. Zooming in one the photos helps with the image. I couldn't get my phone to do a good macro shot. I apologize if I posted in the wrong section. Here are the pics...
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Nakago Translation Nosyudo Shinken
NihontoNewbie replied to NihontoNewbie's topic in Translation Assistance
I see what you are talking about the nakago jiri does look a little different. The four nakagos on the website all have slightly different jiri though the angle isn't a severe as the one mine possesses. You have me a little worried now, but I will hold off on being totally defeated until I inspect it and post some hada and hamon pictures. Thanks for the help... fingers crossed. -
Nakago Translation Nosyudo Shinken
NihontoNewbie replied to NihontoNewbie's topic in Translation Assistance
Hi Brian, Here is a link to Nosyudo website. It's in Japanese of course but there is a picture of their signed nagakos. They look identical to the one I purchased so I have my fingers crossed. I got burnt on. WW2 Gunto before ($350 cheap lesson). I am hoping I didn't get burnt on this one because it was considerably more. Link to nakago http://nosyudo.jp/shinken/ -
Here is some addition info on the wakizashi. The habaki is what really caught my eye! 脇差 WAKIZASHI ANTIQUE Japanese SWORD NBTHK KICHO 41.9cm UNSIGNED兼植KANETANE MINO SCHOOL MID EDO 脇差 Wakizashi Antique Japanese Sword, Unsigned 越前 兼植 Echizen Kanetane Hacho(Cutting edge,Blade length): 41.9cm 美濃伝 Mino School 越前 兼法 派 Echizen Knenori-Group (Disciple of Echizen Knenori ) 新刀 Shinto (New Swords) 江戸時代中期 Mid Edo period (around 元禄 Genroku era 1688 s ) With the certificate of 貴重刀剣 NBTHK Kicho Token Paper NBTHK (The Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Kyokai) With Koshirae ・Made this sword around Mid Edo period (around 元禄 Genroku era 1688 s ) ・The category of this sword is新刀 Shinto (New Swords). ・兼植 Kanetane , living in越前国 (Echizen-no-kuni), Now, 福井県 ( Fukui Pref.) was the famous swordsmith in越前国 (Echizen-no-kuni) . ・This sword seems to show all the characteristics of越前 兼法 派 Echizen Knenori-Group`s work. ・The Hamon (temper line) is 互の目乱れ Gonome-midare. ・地肌 Jihada(forging grain) is 板目肌 Itame-Hada. ・Certificate of Authenticity, authenticated by NBTHK (The Nihon Bijutsu Token Hozon Kyokai) on April 19, 1970. (No. 188130) 貴重刀剣 Kicho Token Paper -We phoned NBTHK and confirmed the certificate. ・Old polish ・There are tiny scratches due to in and out from the scabbard. ・There are tiny kitae-kizu. ・Beautiful and elegant appearance with age appropriate. ・Attachment: Shirasaya,Tsunagi <Koshirae> ・This Koshirae was made around Late Edo to fit this sword ・縁Fuchi is design of馬Uma (Horse) . ・頭Kashira is design of龍Ryu (Dragon) . ***Please see the pictures # 11 ・The pair of 目貫 Menuki is琴奏者 Koto player(琴Koto : long Japanese zither) ***Please see the pictures # 11 ・小柄 Kozuka is design of 馬Uma (Horse) . ・鍔Tsuba is design of 卒塔婆 Sotoba (Stupa, Grave marker ) <Blade> Hacho(Cutting edge,Blade length): 41.9cm Sori (Curvature): 0.7cm Motomihaba (Width at the Hamachi): 2.89cm Motokasane(Thickness of Motokasane): 6.3mm Sakimihaba: 2.31cm Sakikasane: 5.4mm Nakago (The tang of the blade) Length: 14.8cm Material: Iron 刃文 ,Hamon (temper line): 互の目乱れGonome-midare. 地肌 Jihada(forging grain): 板目肌 Its Itami -Hada. Tsukurikomi: Shinogi zukuri #of Mekugi-ana(the hole for the mekugi): 1 Signature: None Weight(Approx.): 420g –Blade only Condition: Old polish There are tiny scratches due to in and out from the scabbard, There are tiny kitae-kizu. -Koshirae – Saya (Scabbard)> Size(Approx): 56.1cm(Length) Material: Wood, Condition: Age appropriate <Tsuka (Hilt)> Size: 17.1cm (Length) Material: Wood, Sharkskin, Dark brown Tsukaito Condition: Age appropriate <縁頭Fuchi,Kashira> 頭 Kashira Design: 龍Ryu (Dragon) Material: 赤銅 Shakudo , Gold Technique: Takabori 縁Fuchi Design: 馬Uma (Horse) Material: 赤銅 Shakudo , Condition: Age appropriate. <目貫 Menuki> Design: 琴奏者 Koto player(琴 Koto : long Japanese zither) Material: 赤銅 Shakudo, Condition: Age appropriate. <鍔 Tsuba> Design: 卒塔婆 Sotoba (Stupa,Grave marker ) Material: Iron Technique: 磨き地 Migaki-ji,小透かし Ko-sukashi Condition: Age appropriate. <小柄Kozuka> Design: 馬Uma (Horse) Material: 赤銅 Shakudo, Gold Technique: 魚子地 Nanako-ji, Takabori Condition: Age appropriate <Habaki> Design: 月夜 Tsukiyo ( Moonlight night) Material: 赤銅 Shakudo, Gold, Silver Technique: 色絵象嵌 Iroe- Inlay Condition: Age appropriate <Seppa> Material: Copper Two seppa Total weigh (Approx.) blade and Koshirae: 841g Total length (Koshirae): 73.75cm Shirasaya,Tsunagi : 242g
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Ok... got it. NO uchiko! I do have plenty of clear Rem oil that I will use to oil the blade. Thanks for the link, it had a wealth of informations.
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Wow! Looks like there are a couple local enthusiasts near me. I am actually a little north of Boston. It's a small town called Ipswich, great seafood and antique shops. Thanks for all the feedback. This is the type of forum I really enjoy. Friendly, informed people with a lot to offer!
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Nakago Translation Nosyudo Shinken
NihontoNewbie replied to NihontoNewbie's topic in Translation Assistance
I haven't received the sword yet. I will get pictures of the hada and post them in the proper section. I actually got it from a pawn shop off of gunbroker (avid gun collector). They offered little information but did offer to except a return of it wasn't true made in Japan. I don't know how you practice combat with a live blade either... I found that part about his description comical. It is supposed to be made with tamahagane, but we will see once I get a closer look. I didn't know there was a "practitioner" or izakaya section. I will post better HD pictures once I receive it. Oh, you are right about the bokken being very dangerous. I have gotten a few lumps over the years from accidental strikes... ouch! Thanks Erick -
Nakago Translation Nosyudo Shinken
NihontoNewbie replied to NihontoNewbie's topic in Translation Assistance
Hi, The written word comes off different than spoken word. I am sorry if I interpreted your comment wrong. There are so many forums out there that are "clicky". I thought I might have stumbled into one. My sincerest apologies. My name is Erick, I am from he Boston area. Thank you for your translation. Hope we can start fresh. -
I have been an avid gun collector for thirty years. I am just getting started with the nihonto. I have other katana but they are geared towards the practitioner side. I think the maintenance kits that comes with those swords are lacking. I need to purchase a quality maintenance kit. Any ideas on the best place to obtain one? Most of the kits online are cheap Chinese kits with baby powdered filled uchiko. I don't mind telling what I paid. I might get better insight if I know whether I paid to much... Wakizashi was 1350 usd Tanto was 800 usd
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Thank you for the translation
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Nakago Translation Nosyudo Shinken
NihontoNewbie replied to NihontoNewbie's topic in Translation Assistance
I posted a couple traditional swords in a separate thread. I can't find any information about Nosyudo. Just looking for any information. Didn't know the first response I would get would be so passive aggressive. Sorry to waste your time -
I haven't received these yet as I am still waiting for the permit from Japan to export. They are both unsigned but I am hoping it's a good start to a collection. I got them both for a fairly reasonable price (I think). I am just starting so please be patient with me. Is this a decent start? The wakizashi is from the Mino school. It was made around 1688 or so I am told. It appears to be in good condition. I will have measurements and better picture once I receive them. The tanto is from the mid 1850's unsigned from the Bizen school.
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Nakago Translation Nosyudo Shinken
NihontoNewbie replied to NihontoNewbie's topic in Translation Assistance
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Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me with translation of a Nosyudo shinken nakago. Any additional information would be much appreciated. I would like to know how much it could be worth, quality, or anything else you can enlighten me on. I haven't received it yet, but I should have solid measurements once it arrives. Here are some pictures and the description I received... Japanese Nosyudo Kanesada Forged Steel Shinken Katana. 30 1/4" (77cm) Shinken sharpened blade. For Iaijutsu (Combat Practice) or Tameshigiri (Mat Cutting). See Pictures For Details. FEATURES Tenshyo Style Fuchi-Kashira Matsu (Pine Tree) Style Menuki Matsu Sukashi Tsuba Yujo Habaki 10mm Black Silk Tsuka-ito (Wrap) 30 1/4" (77cm) Shinken Kanesada Blade
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Hello, I was wondering if someone would be so kind and translate this nakago. It's suppose to be a fairly newly made shinken. I have a couple antique nihonto on the way from Japan. I am just waiting for the export permission/permit. The specs I received from the seller are... This is for a Japanese Nosyudo Kanesada Forged Steel Shinken Katana. 30 1/4" (77cm) Shinken sharpened blade. For Iaijutsu (Combat Practice) or Tameshigiri (Mat Cutting). See Pictures For Details. FEATURES Tenshyo Style Fuchi-Kashira Matsu (Pine Tree) Style Menuki Matsu Sukashi Tsuba Yujo Habaki 10mm Black Silk Tsuka-ito (Wrap) 30 1/4" (77cm) Shinken Kanesada Blade Any information, mean anything you know would be much appreciated. Info on the maker, price, quality... The shinken is still in transit so I only have the photos from the sale. I will have full specs once I receive it.