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Tsuba in everyday objects - the culture of Tsuba
Spartancrest replied to Spartancrest's topic in Tosogu
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I think I may have solved a mystery that caused the late Ford Hallam to "recreate" a "lost tsuba" - I believe I found that lost tsuba in Hawley's "TSUBAS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA" Page 301 of that picture book. In the book there is an odd view of the ura side of a guard which should have been flipped over - to me it is obviously the same tsuba that was "missing" or so close to it that it makes no difference. Remember the book was published in 1973 so it is impossible for the image to be of the utsushi made by Ford. See this blog from 2009 https://followingthe...-cat-out-of-bag.html What do you think? Was Hallam looking on the wrong continent and the tiger was in California all along? There is a signature on the Hawley image but it is not clear enough to read, Ford may have assumed that the small guard he had access to was made and signed by the same maker as the larger piece, but he did not have the ura view to back this up. Anyone know a collector from California by the name of "Stoehr" ? He may know of the whereabouts of the lost guard. [PS. Ever notice the title of Hawley's picture book is WRONG - no such thing as tsubas surely he knew the plural of tsuba was still tsuba!]
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More like constantly in your face! I got sick of finding examples. [enough to sink a bulk carrier!] This one is less like a cross and more like a capstan Perhaps there were a lot of "Hidden Sailors" more than "Hidden Christians" - you know what they say about sailors!
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Mauro you beat me to it! While there are many Kawari-gata versions there are also ones within a rim.
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I found this one in 2022 - someone has removed the rim. I like the addition of the Torii on this one.
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Let us not forget Shinto religious symbols with Torii gates marking the entrance to shrines and sacred places.
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With or without a rim. [This one reminds me of a WWI sea mine ]
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Half way between these two? At a stretch I see karigane linked wing tip to wing tip in some spots - but it could also represent a web with holes broken through? I don't think it really matters, I like it even not knowing what it represents
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One I forgot I had - strange how I bought it at a time I was working packing poppy seed! [It has an undulating/wavy plate.]
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I might kill two birds with one stone - I am looking for the type of plant this tsuba depicts - five petals, either a shrub or perhaps a vine? From the National Museum of Norway.
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Well Simon, Eldreds auctions sold one for $169 [including fees] in 2012 so your $25 was better than that! You notice the "mushroom" top is a constant feature, the "signatures" [fake] are added later and can vary even in who they pretend to be by. https://www.eldreds.....-with-re_BEB03ED54F
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More Philosophy? What is it that appeals to you in tsuba?
Spartancrest replied to Winchester's topic in Tosogu
You will get some backlash for this statement - [I totally agree with it though! If a Samurai never wore it, it was never a tsuba - it was an art piece! ] This gives us a split - Do you like to collect "Art pieces in the shape of a tsuba" or "The real thing" [Yes I will get some backlash for that too!] Of course many real tsuba are works of art as well but for me a tsuba that has never been mounted or intended to be mounted has no "spirit" [JMHO] I just saw a very high end auction conclude with some crazy prices paid for the last lot of tsuba while other pieces sold for far less - I think some people just want to "win" regardless of what they are looking at. For those with bottomless pockets, The Inaugural Sale of the Alan and Simone Hartman Collection Achieved more than $22 Million at Bonhams in New York - and they had three such sales! [the prices were for the total contents of the sale not just the tsuba] https://www.bonhams....Japanese-art/?page=6 For me finding a neglected bushi tsuba at a bargain price is far more thrilling than pumping thousands of dollars into something someone else thinks is what I should get, but I don't really see the value in. -
Hi Simon your images show the "ura" side - back side. Normally the "omote" side has the most detail. But I would concur that the piece is cast - hey I have seen a lot worse and it is a useful learning tool. Watch out for the ones with that "mushroom" top of the nakago-ana [cast in for adding sekigane] and the cast bubble/fault on the seppa-dai.
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Magic! I think the guard displays at least some of the "Lucky" treasures of the gods - Magic price for a little treasure! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takarabune#:~:text=The gods carry with them,巻き物 makimono)%2C the magic mallet The gods carry with them takaramono (宝物), or treasure things, including the hat of invisibility (隠れ笠, kakuregasa), rolls of brocade (織物, orimono), the inexhaustible purse (金袋 kanebukuro), the secret keys to the treasure shed of the gods (鍵 kagi), the scrolls of books of wisdom and life (巻き物 makimono), the magic mallet (小槌 kozuchi), the lucky raincoat (隠れ蓑, kakuremino), the robe of fairy feathers (羽衣, hagoromo), and the bag of fortune (布袋 nunobukuro).
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“infinite wisdumb” sent me this image: The result = What also caught my eye was the rear end of the spider - now why would Mother Nature go to the trouble of making a spiders bottom look like some very scary "Golliwog" [no racist intent] Or a negative of Harpo Marx?
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two examples of Gamma Sennin and the three legged toad/frog from the Cleveland Museum of art. https://art.thewalte...mmortal-gama-sennin/ https://collections.mfa.org/objects/10064 https://www.nihontoc...t.com/Frog_tsuba.htm
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Dimensions from the V&A "The dimensions for this object from our records are given as ‘3.5 in by 3.9 in’, this would be 8.9 x 9.9cm." No thickness was given but I think Gustavo and I thought 6mm was appropriate. Gustavo's ingot that he used for the tsuba "The composition is as follows copper 89.37%, zinc 4.34%, tin 3.86%, lead 1.75%, iron 0.68%. The lead content changes from one end to the other, the small piece is the highest at around 2.5%. The zinc and tin content should give clues as to the origin of the metal because not every group of people made bronze in the same way. " Gustavo might correct this as he did some extra work on the metal.
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If we are to believe all the advertising - this guard dates from Late Kamakura Period (1278-1288 A.D.) https://www.samuraim...nteisho-certificate/ this one from 1572 https://www.samuraim...k-hozon-certificate/ or something really fresh made last week https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145100278538 I guess without some form of metal dating - age is often a guess.
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What's Going On Here? (A Sequel Eleven Years in the Making)
Spartancrest replied to Alexander Again's topic in Tosogu
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For those people interested in the original piece from the V&A as well as another version that was found in the process of the search. [may be the daisho pair?] PS. Any help I contributed was minimal - the praise for the WORK should all go to Gustavo, who went to extraordinary measures to get the metal from the correct period and has the technical skill to see the project finished. [I only found some images which is all I am really good at.] Now there are THREE BIG SPIDERS!
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What's Going On Here? (A Sequel Eleven Years in the Making)
Spartancrest replied to Alexander Again's topic in Tosogu
Alexander, I just noticed the tagane-ato [punch marks around the nakago-ana]. The ones on your example are very, very similar to the old examples I have with the Mantis design. I can't help thinking the same smith used the same tools on all five pieces. I include the three images of the nakago-ana with the punch marks - a series of three dot punches each side, top and bottom. [Ignore the rough outlines of the nakago-ana, that was done manually to give all three images the same background colour] Image is larger and enhanced from the book page example above. Hey Barry is there a Dragonfly on the ura of yours? Nice piece! [that is an understatement!] -
What's Going On Here? (A Sequel Eleven Years in the Making)
Spartancrest replied to Alexander Again's topic in Tosogu
Utsushi - is the word you might need. An "emulation" of a design - not a direct copy but a homage to a design that is well liked. There are thousands of utsushi getting about, but they often get mistaken for the same piece seen in the past - [Who can remember every detail?] I put some Mantis utsushi in my beginners book to compare to cast copies [yes it needs a rewrite] Safe to give the ebay images of your second tsuba as it has already sold https://www.ebay.com/itm/276633048733 -
Text Pdf available https://archive.org/...anischeText/mode/2up Plates Pdf https://archive.org/...ils/JapanischePlates Reprints from $22 USD https://www.abebooks...neten-9780331743/plp Originals can sell for $171 USD https://www.abebooks...21118&ref_=pd_hw_i_1 The Jacoby along with the Georg Oeder collection were taken by the Russians in 1945 - never to be seen again - unless they are hidden in the "Hermitage" in Saint Petersburg ? [Anyone with a link to get into the Hermitage collections?] I can send a proof copy of the Oeder collection with English translation to anyone who can give me a personal message with a home email address [the file size is too large to send direct through NMB] The Jacoby book was mentioned in the "Connoisseur" in 1904 and included an image of one of the book plates Taf,9. [plate 9]
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I found this image from an old ebay sale "Copper 1800-1849 Asian Antiques" no other information on it sorry - I just thought the style and material were similar. [I think yours is far superior though] This one has a very close ura side design but the Katakiri-bori carving is a totally different technique to the omote view of Bruno's. https://www.proantic...eriod-1808-1912.html