Jacques
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How can you say he can reconfigure the shinogi if you don't know how? It's like saying there are green giraffes but I've never seen one....
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And how does he do it?
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What is the soul of your collection ?
Jacques replied to Benjamin's topic in General Nihonto Related Discussion
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Thanks, just goes to show that you should always check whether what you read or are told is relevant or not.
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That's because you haven't understood it, even though it's very clear.
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That's bother me, it's named as tachi and it has a typical naginata naoshi sugata. If Jussy could check ?
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Yes, but they're talking about nakago. A naginata can be made in the naginata naoshi style, as Kanzan Sato says in his article. Once again, nothing can prove the contrary
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It's impossible to know. It would have to be documented (the same naginata before and after) by the craftsman who did the work. A kissaki is not like a nakago, where there are clues showing that it has been suriage. The mune is polished and burnished, with no trace of alteration. A true naginata naoshi Description says the nakago is suriage.
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The problem is that the term naginata naoshi includes both real naginata naoshi and those made in style (see Kanzan Sato's article).
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Michael stop nonsenses please Den Choji description....
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There's a misunderstanding of the term naoshi, which refers only to kissaki; for nakago it's suriage. In fact, for a tachi, we should say: nakago suriage and machi-okuri, and for a naginata: naoshi and suriage, but the Japanese love shortcuts.
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Shinto = off topic
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No, you have tot start from the mune machi and you need a decreasing mihaba.
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The question that needs to be asked, and that few are asking, is this: How can we tell that a naginata has had a naoshi? Absolutely nothing, except a boshi identical to hamon and yakitsume.
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Naginata naoshi zukuri, so what ? A katana made in this style will be designated as naginata naoshi zukuri Just a point of clarification: no one can know how the naginata was like before the naoshi, and all the existing examples of ubu naginata show that the kaeri would disappear if one were practised. I'm basing myself on facts and nothing else. The examples you show are in no way proof.
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Still no physically acceptable explanation Token-bijutsu automn 1981
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I don't know if you understood me correctly (with my bad English it's possible). Once again, there are real naginata naoshi = naginata that have been transformed and swords made like naginata naoshi (but that have never been transformed), the latter with a kaeri. A true naginata naoshi. Note that it was during the Nanbokucho period that swords began to be forged in the Naginata naoshi style.
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It still doesn't prove anything, I'm still waiting to see a naginata that could keep a kaeri once the naoshi has been practiced. I have the flaw of basing myself on facts, not blabla.
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So what ? Is it a proof it is a real naginata naoshi ? No. I noticed that on the shijo kantei NBTHK mentions naginata naoshi only (boshi are yakitsume) if it's a waki, waki is added. which makes me think (until proven otherwise) that on the papers (hozon etc) NBTHK encompasses both real naoshi and those made in the style just as they don't differentiate between generations of blacksmiths.
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Have you ever imagined what this naginata looked like before transformation? What level the boshi was at? It must not have been very aesthetic.
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421,000$ without seeing the blade... people are crazy!
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This one wouldn't even need a kissaki modification.
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Even the experts can't say what a naginata was like before the naoshi. I'm going by facts and waiting to see a naginata whose boshi is made in such a way that a kaeri can persist. I've already shared a naoshi naginata with a very short kaeri and a temper line very close to the cutting edge, with a wider hamon at the bottom.
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I found these 2 naginata the first one is by Nagamitsu (Kamakura Bizen) the second one is by Kagemitsu (Kamakura Bizen) it is obvious that if you practice a naoshi on these naginata the boshi will disappear (Same for all the examples I already shared)
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I already quoted it. Have a look at the location of the boshi, i guess before naoshi the boshi was almost ichimai. Nothing to do with your examples...
