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Jussi, thanks for your comments, my reply to Mark above must have crossed in the ether with yours, as can be seen from Marcus's description of his lineage there seems to be an issue, maybe the guy never existed I don't know but I guess there must be extant blades by him somewhere, and by default a signature e, or at least a reference in some book or another, as he is listed both by Marcus and Hawley. As to whether the blade has a mid-Nanbokuchō shape and Nakajima-Rai characteristics I am unsure and do not feel suitably informed enough to make that call and would suppose there would be numerous variations for the uninitiated to fall over another reason perhaps why I have prostrated myself here in front of the mighty and learned in order to learn. Paul
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Mark, thanks for reply and completely understand where you are coming from however I have tried to find said oshigata to no avail which is why I have posted on here hoping that some of the more learned on here might be able to locate one. All I have to go on is what I believe and Hawleys number TO 139, I guess that I was hoping that someone on here had come across this smith before so therefore might be able to point me in the right direction. Interestingly Hawley cites him as being Nakajima Rai Tomonari, but he also signed with the 2 character mei, son of yoshiuji 1362. It was never my intention to expect some one to do my research for me as that can be a great learning process in itself and something that I wholeheartedly subscribe to as I am a great believer in the motto of the Royal Society Nullius in verba Paul
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Brian, thanks for you interest in this topic but I think that there must be a little ambiguity in my post. The reason for asking for a " reference mei "has probably not been made clear enough by myself, what I was asking for was a mei by settsu tomonari to disprove that the signature is not of that smith, people have been suggesting all through the thread that the mei is a "wrong un", in my local parlance, fine I have no issue with that but show me a correct one that's all I am asking but it seems like I am asking for heaven and earth, neither you nor I could stand up in court of law and say we think something is not correct without being challenged to substantiate / prove our claim / opinion Paul
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Peter, good of you to take another look , thank you, with regard to the signature, starting to sound like a broken record now, as I have asked a couple of time in the above does anyone have a link or anything to a genuine signature for comparison, I know that when I look back at a signature of my own from 50 years ago it bears little resemblance to how I sign today, all the correct letters are there but in a slightly different form and I suppose that it is not unreasonable for someone to ask for documentary support for an opinion. Paul
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John, thanks for the helpful comments good to hear that you feel that the blade is not a fake but regarding the mei have you any reference for supposed tomonari signature, it just seems that it is being decried as gimei , or worse ,but no one is able to offer a genuine signature for comparison. Paul
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Grey, thanks for taking a look your comment made me have a look again at the blade and the mune machi and the ha machi line up perfectly, as I qualified in the first post my camera skills are a little above zero and on looking at the photo in question I can fully see the reasoning behind your comment, will see if I can get a pal who is a bit useful with a camera to take a few pictures, incidentally I am glad that you included blanks in your kaji flashcards as I have been able to add the nari kanji without spoiling the integrity of the set. Paul
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Arnold F. In reply to your above post it was not myself that suggested that it was signed Tomogatsu that was your interpretation of the mei, with regard to my suggestion of Tomonari the signature bears a striking resemblance in form to that of the Ko Bizen smith Tomonari which you can find on pages24/25 of Fujishiro's Koto Hen . Congratulations on being the owner of Hawley,s Brown book as I only have the earlier first edition blue books which some think are somewhat lacking, I am not sure if the page numbers are the same but if you care to look on page 392 ( in blue books ) you will find listings for 4 smiths by that name and my original inquiry was along the lines of could it be the Settsu Tomonari. Thanks for the advise about getting books , I already have a small library of some , as you might have gathered from the above.
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Ray, the mounts to the shira saya are ebony not horn unfortunately. Paul
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Gents, thanks for all your input looks like there is a little division amongst you all from an out and out Chinese replica to maybe a genuine blade with dodgy horimono and mei , incidentally, based on my original question has anyone found a tomonari reference mei?, attached are a few more snaps some as requested by the members showing some of the ware in the blade. Regards Paul
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Hi Arnold, cannot find a listing anywhere for Tomogatsu can you please supply a reference. Paul
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Just a few more pictures
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Hi all, just hoping someone would have the time to have a look at this tachi, I believe the mei is signed Tomonari but unsure of which particular one but leaning towards Settsu, not because I am particularly clever but on the basis that apart from Ko Bizen tomonari he is the only other one to sign with 2 characters TO 139. Have not been able to find a signature of this particular smith so if some can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated, the Kanji on the blade are proving quite elusive to translate so a little help from the learned members would be good, with regard to the dragon and cloud horimono I have not been able to find a reference for this either so more than a little interested in finding out more on this if anyone can help. The pictures below are not of the quality of some I have seen on here, not very good with a camera, but if anyone has any suggestions of how to improve them it would be most welcome. Thanks in advance. Paul
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Steve, thanks for the information Paul
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Ray, thanks for the info please see attached a photo of the blade.... Paul
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wow guys, so quick many thanks to both of you would this be a blade from the Kaga-Aoe school ? Paul
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Hi all, I have been offered a blade but struggling a little with the translation. I make it XX Fujiwara Nagatsune saku , struggling with the first character and not 100% certain about the tsune, any help would be gratefully received Paul
