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Yes, 4 people with different attributions.

Dam, knew it was Senjuin!

Now on to a Sukezane/Suketsuna combo Thats me done on this for today, tough one. A Kanenaga too at one point.

Aye, its widely accepted.

Ok, so just bias in the Wazamono rankings, i take it

Briefly, Jacques, im pretty sure every collector has a lot of respect for the NBTHK etc etc. Their opinions can vary, just check out the blade in the kantei with 4 attributions! Rankings, do you not think there is bias?. Personally, would be great to see something new, other expert opinions and preferences I would find this interesting. See what remains the same and what would change Kind of feels stagnant at times, this hobby

Ubu Nakago is of great help when you want to work out what school made your sword.

I thought the whole point of "art" was to be able to look at it and understand it and appreciate it for oneself, without influence. Some folk live within the confines of books and outdated opinions and expect others to follow suit. In that respect, they become narrow minded and cheat themselves. These people never think outside the boundaries and never progress to teach others anything new. Same old ,,,,,,,, Boring really, Thank God some folk seek out new ideas.

Hi, yes following the hamon near the habuchi, just i could not find examples where it is high up towards the Shinogi-ji, as in the kantei sword. Live and learn.

Dunno why im reminded of this movie.

Agree about Yamato Shizu That Ara-Nie though in the jigane, could not find any other sword by Yamato Shizu to match it.

Crazy thread

And there you go again over complicating things haha Agree about photos though.

Il be honest Jacques, surprised you said "Jo" Ps, ruling Chu-Jo out can really make you miss out on some great smiths. Just one example. May not be your taste, but did some great swords, https://www.aoijapan.com/tanto-bishu-osafune-ju-yokoyama-saemon-sukekane/

Remember it now, cheers. Just concentrating on the blade, dont look Shinshinto to me. Less important, neither does the kasane. But what do i know

Jacques, if you always came across like you did in your last few posts then you probably wouldn't wind people up as much. Yes, always have to be sceptical in this hobby. One thing that always surprises me about this hobby are the swords that dont quite fit. I dont want to spend all afternoon pulling out examples of swords of different lengths from a certain period with large O-kissaki. If i did though wouldn't be surprised if i could find a papered example the same size as the sword we talk about. Im more interested in finding more out about the blade itself haha Cheers.

I get what your saying, its just that suriage was not always done the proper way. When i look at the image of the full blade the impression i get is that it is too straight, so may well be O suriage John has had it in hand so thats good enough for me. Anyways, does it matter

Im confused Jacques, with what you say, its as though there was one workshop in Japan that did suriage and always did it the same. The reality is it could have been done any old way. Nakago dont look too old so maybe suriage done quite late in its life.

Remember reading this some time ago, about British contracts with Liege https://collegehillarsenal.com/Fine-Belgian-Made-P1853-Enfield-by-OP-Drissen-of-Liège

Not a guess but this has led me to such places as Hankei and Mizuta Bit of a wild goose chase so far The Ara-nie in the jigane is the issue, for me.

Thats great Thomas, the wonders of the modern age. Might just take you up on the offer. Cheers.

Guilty of using the tern "kantei" in its wrong context, cheers Thomas for the reminder Yes, we have our online "kantei" here which is quite fun, but besides that the only time i get on the same kind of lines as a kantei is looking at blades for sale, here and the odd dealer. Still interesting from time to time,, you do what you can.

Hi Adam, this conversation reminds me of Facts and Fundamentals, think it was him that said avoid unsigned blades. Kantei can be straight forward, as i pointed out, but can also be a pain in the ass when looking at a unsigned blades that do not seem to fit, blades where there is little information out there. I dont enjoy that,. Always said, if not text book blades then you end up going around in circles and coming up with a few maybes. Nothing wrong with unsigned blades by the way, just wish everything was signed for an easy life As evident by the sword in the Kantei that is going on now, that has FOUR expert attributions. Says it all.

Also, id be wondering why they would go to the bother of creating a mekugi-ana and then cutting straight through it.

A controversial blade!, so detecting a curve ball. Any chance of more information? Utsuri ? Width at hamachi/kissaki ? Kasane ? Looks O-suriage but difficult to tell without close ups. Kind of thinking this may be a later sword, the jigane.....................intentional ?but need more info. See why Satsuma mentioned, and Yamato Shizu for other reasons. Cheers