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Jussi, thank you. Once again you throw some light on this somewhat dim lit hobby. We all learn something new. I now have a list of smiths that im eager to learn more about. For some that dont understand. Its never about questioning the knowledge of those that set the rankings but trying to understand their results. When you think about it, it was one hell of a task!!. Sometimes i think the only fair way would be to line up every sword by every smith but we know thats impossible. in that respect, i wonder what may have been missed or overlooked and hence, unfairly misjudged

Good to see something positive on the news about Japanese swords! This made me laugh. Number of registered swordsmiths has unsurprisingly declined in recent years

Another factor……..money Example. The Hizen school brought in money for the Nebeshima clan. No surprise to me Tadayoshi ranked Saijo, from memory think the 3rd was too, may be wrong.

Also, dont forget there was not a research facility back then producing clones for tests. Take into account variables involved. Flesh, bone thickness etc and how the sword would have to strike the same spot every time. Bit grim, but thats how it is.

Tv show mythbusters once set up a machine with a Samurai sword. There was a myth about ww2 Japanese soldiers being able to cut through hot machine gun barrels. Might be on youtube Anyways, for me, that would be the only way to test swords with any reasonsble accuracy Too many variables Interesting history though, recommend the book Tameshigiri by Markus

Ps, Is that yours? If so, thought you avoided Chu-Jo. ?

Nice!

Cheers Jussi, interesting, and surprised.

Last time i bring this up. Not wanting to sound nitpicky, but (dare i say it) the Ara-nie, would anyone agree that for this school it looks unintentional?. Im not saying you wont find it on these blades, just saying it comes across as a forging error, to me any way. This for me made it a lot more difficult, looking at blades such as Satsuma.

Really well put that Bob! Afher that Kantei experience, couldn't agree more Seriously though, some wonderful blades from the Edo period, Ubu and signed

Point being, 4 different people_4 different answers. Ask them their opinion on smiths and again you will get a varied response. This is why i think it would be interesting to see other rankings/info from different experts. Especially in this day and age,

Yes, 4 people with different attributions.

Dam, knew it was Senjuin!

Now on to a Sukezane/Suketsuna combo Thats me done on this for today, tough one. A Kanenaga too at one point.

Aye, its widely accepted.

Ok, so just bias in the Wazamono rankings, i take it

Briefly, Jacques, im pretty sure every collector has a lot of respect for the NBTHK etc etc. Their opinions can vary, just check out the blade in the kantei with 4 attributions! Rankings, do you not think there is bias?. Personally, would be great to see something new, other expert opinions and preferences I would find this interesting. See what remains the same and what would change Kind of feels stagnant at times, this hobby

Ubu Nakago is of great help when you want to work out what school made your sword.

I thought the whole point of "art" was to be able to look at it and understand it and appreciate it for oneself, without influence. Some folk live within the confines of books and outdated opinions and expect others to follow suit. In that respect, they become narrow minded and cheat themselves. These people never think outside the boundaries and never progress to teach others anything new. Same old ,,,,,,,, Boring really, Thank God some folk seek out new ideas.

Hi, yes following the hamon near the habuchi, just i could not find examples where it is high up towards the Shinogi-ji, as in the kantei sword. Live and learn.

Dunno why im reminded of this movie.

Agree about Yamato Shizu That Ara-Nie though in the jigane, could not find any other sword by Yamato Shizu to match it.

Crazy thread

And there you go again over complicating things haha Agree about photos though.

Il be honest Jacques, surprised you said "Jo" Ps, ruling Chu-Jo out can really make you miss out on some great smiths. Just one example. May not be your taste, but did some great swords, https://www.aoijapan.com/tanto-bishu-osafune-ju-yokoyama-saemon-sukekane/