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Hi Colin, when i say "protect their investment" , what i mean is they rain down on other swords to keep theirs above the clouds, so to speak. Short story, and it kind of sums it all up, as in all relative. Its all been said before. Again, when asking the dealer what the best sword he ever had is hands on was.? A dealer that has had thousands of swords in hand, battle swords, art swords, gunto swords, modern swords, Juyo swords, you name it he has held it and had time to study it. Expecting him to say something from the magic Koto era, was really surprised when he stated a wakizashi by Inoue Shinkai as one of his top two. The reason i was surprised, seen two in hand and being honest, they were good swords but never really had such an effect that i ever would rush out and buy one. Its all relative, i much prefer the likes of Tadakuni. I know i say i look to modern swords as being "art swords" but its hard not to look at some Tadakuni blades with the distinct "cloud like" hamon and not get sucked in as just thinking of it as "art" I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. On the other hand, some swords, most swords in fact, i would not consider art,.

Its a touchy subject Colin. Wealthy collectors have to protect their investments and have little time for bottom feeders telling them that the sword they just paid £30,000 for, you could buy similar quality for a lot less. Lost count of the number of folks that have seen a "Juyo" and felt deflated. Its all relative to what you like. Same in a lot of hobbies and its a part of human nature. Its become kind of boring listening to it Modern art swords can be picked up for relatively low prices, your "Enomoto Sadayoshi" type blades etc etc etc. Its open to everyone. As a side note. I do have reservations about folks with zero experience going out and just aiming for "juyo" papers. I know folks always say buy the best you can but for me it has to be a bit of a learning and experience journey. Amazing swords can be had for a lot less, and experience gained. Free world though (kind of), folks can do what they wish.

Jacques, the pictures are adequate enough for me to make a judgement on a low price £1200 sword. Now **** off.

Actually Jacques. It is if you are on a budget and want a reasonably priced Naginata, which is what the title states. Desperate Nit-picking as always. About time this thread was locked or even better deleted. Brian, if i were you i would stop worrying about how to keep the elitists happy and be more worried about paying members that are wondering why they are paying to be trolled.. Real high flyers don't come here, unless they want quick advice. The ones i have met have no interest in long term study.

Well Jacques, here in the UK doubt there is any papered, signed, in polish naginata for that price. Hence the title. Actually, cant remember seeing many Naginata here at all. I'm not big on Naginata but if i wanted one, this would do. Someone mentioned it may have been a woman's Naginata, that i find makes it more interesting for some reason Nothing wrong in aspiring to own quality items but at the same time nothing wrong in owning something just to satisfy ones curiosity for relatively low cost. All part of the journey. Horses for courses.

Someone may see something. If you see anything good let us know, id be interested see them. Not my usual window shop

Agree Jarrow. He stated it is a tanto that holds the most memories, only worth 50000 Y. Intends to pass it on. I guess sentimental value is the reason many swords are still with us.

You make a good point Jarrow. Got the odd person here bragging they have seen 200 swords in hand and readily gives out harsh opinion. My thought when reading such a comment was when you have seen thousands of swords in hand and had TIME to study them well, then il listen. Spoke with a Japanese dealer that has such experience, very humble and unopinionated. Favorite sword being a sentimental tanto of no special value. A vast number of swords out there can be described as mediocre, for me the VAST majority. Lets not be too harsh.

Just a thought With your budget and as you want a display. Would you not consider looking for a nice daisho with matching old fittings ? Look for a late Edo sword stand.

Could you be more specific?, bit confused by the question? You think its too expensive?, too cheap? or maybe the price is right?

An "art sword" is what we call a sword when it has to go though customs Ps, this will no doubt irritate some, but who cares. I secretly have trouble calling any sword "an art sword" if it was made solely for use as a weapon. Which is most swords. Art sword for me, sword made just "as art", appreciation, tend to think more along the lines of Shinsakuto. As made,

Reading over the original post again, surprisingly how it has spiraled out of control and into the stratosphere Got to laugh. Its just a Naginata., a reasonably priced one

What I've learned, never be surprised at what folks collect, even folks you think only collect high end stuff. Guido once bought a sword off me from a very modest school........Dotanuki. He was happy with it. Not an "art sword" by the way,. Big old clunker.

Franco, there is nothing more to discuss. I presented a naginata at a fair price for folks seeking a naginata on a budget. Then it turned into this mess. Just a Naginata, not an "arty farty" masterpiece we can all talk about for days on end, for £1200 what do folks expect???????????????????????? Really wish i hadn't bothered, wont happen again. Beginning understand why folks retire Jacques. Not getting into further discussion, not when you talk nonsense. Perhaps you need to study more blades from the likes of Uda, Dotanuki smiths etc. Blanket statements and putting everything in boxes is your weakness, you need to work on it. Perhaps being more specific in future will work better for you.

Would just delete this mess.

Think Jacques had his own forum once, from memory. Wish he still had. Rather than being intent on ruining this one.

Art begins with Jo saku Utter ^^^^^ Brian, please find a way to block folks for good, cant take this any more

No point to this thread now, best just to delete it. Not fair to Aoi Art, being another reason. Wont pull sales ads in future.

The thing about the ignore button Brian is that it don't stop him carrying on regardless Just see further comments when not logged in. If there was a way to totally block someone, id defo be up for that. Ps. I have politely asked him twice to stay away from my posts, but he carries on. Just a professional Troll.

A vast majority of antique swords come under the "historic weapon" category. A lot of the time, not much "art", more function. Luckily, folks like yourself Erik, and the likes of NBTHK recognize they should be preserved. Horses for courses.

Boo, get him off The Dick Dastardly of NMB pathetic.

Jacques, i didn't link it for high flyers like yourself. Again, as explained in the first post , Linked it for folks on a tight budget that are maybe just looking for an original signed naginata with Hozen. What have i told you about staying out of my posts? Stay out.

Don't remember seeing many waks by those guys.

I never stated it was a bargain. Try finding a signed Naginata, in polish, with papers for £1200 in the UK. Its not happening. I think there are always reasonably priced items in that store, but that's just my opinion.

One more thing. Just because you can does not mean you need to go out and spend a fortune (for most) on your first sword. Can get great swords for a lot less. Hell, buy a few cheaper swords, 5 or so, learn a bit Then buy the big one. Guarantee you will appreciate it more