Luc T

Interesting discussion. what do we have: a 62 plate koboshi number of koboshi per plate? Gary? no hibiki no ana no shiten no byo Small but perfect finished tehen no ana no nonsense but functional hachimanza. irregular shaped koboshi irregular aligned koboshi placed close to the suji. a probably replaced haraidate dai. a mabezashi that is possibly replaced too. According the style, we have a Kanto kabuto who did we have there: the Joshu. This is not a Joshu kabuto the Yashu. There are no koboshi known by them. the soshu (Sagami, Odawara) there was an Ietsugu who made koboshi +-30koboshi per plate. I have seen several of his work and it looks very much like this one. Ietsugu is recorded in the shin katchushi meikan as early edo. But there must have been several Soshu smiths with this name during the end of the momoyama-early edo period by my humble opinion. Gary, is it possible to post a picture with the names of the shinsa members? Some of them know these schools very good. But I am not sure if they were in the shinsa for this kabuto. there is a fair chance that this old boy is signed. Then we could be sure. Now we have to judge on what wee see.

And on the back, very important, the name of the judges. Transparency and responsability.

Gary, here the explanation of the Nkbkhk paper

Piers, you are looking at the iron hachimanza, not? It looks like the ones on Bamen kabuto, but here I think we see a Soshu product again.

The nkbkhk papers don’t mention a school easily without a reliable signature. Not because the don’t have an opinion, but simply because it is tricky. this kabuto could be momoyama too, but it is certainly early edo or earlier. Also here, they stay prudent. No space for a wrong guess. again a fine old warbeast Gary!

I see. Well, I hope this helps you anyway Gary.

I guess the doubt it is similar with appraising swords?

I can follow Thomas' thoughts here very well. this was also my doubt. what do we have: Sasama writes about such a smith, with no surviving works known. the quality does not correspond with the early Soshu or Odawara works. (this kabuto here is better, smells edo) what we also have, and this is quite unknown, also the Ichiguchi Myochin made this kind of kabuto during the early edo period. the genealogy of the Ichiguchi is far from complete, It may be an unrecorded smith. If it is the one mentioned in the SMZ, I think we have to wait till more kabuto pop up. this kabuto has similarities with the late Soshu smiths. If it is one of them, it is certainly made after the troubled period of the battle of Odawara, wich was a turning point in the production of armor allover Japan. I think we have to wait till more works from this smith appear, before we can be sure.

when I think of Soshu zaboshi, I have the Odawara Katsuie (相州小田原明珎勝家) as a reference, see picture. Gary's kabuto however is quite different. The quality and execution seems a lot better on Gary's kabuto. I can follow Ian if he thinks on the elaborate Kaga zaboshi. Always learning..

haha, you knew it from the beginning!

Myochin Iehisa, indeed. Soshu work. after Odawara 1590. rare find.

At first glance, I thought it was a Haruta. I am still surprised about the signature.

Thanks guys

Very intersting kabuto, congrats!

Ian, the nanbokucho style is not far away here, indeed. But as you say, I also think it is later.

no Piers, a standing ridge.

Sometimes, you find an item that intrigues, but you don’t know why. here a kabuto I bought recently, Any thoughts?

English only.

Approximately 30 armors, some with several detail pictures too. No swords.

Who knows the name of the seller?

This is insane! I never bid on such pieces. One day they will understand that a matching full suit is worth more than the sum of the pieces.

Peter, here we find a ww1 or 2 helmet from time to time. I can tell you, despite their age they look at least kamakura

Replica

hi Gregg, the menpo is a modern reproduction. you better look for an old one, or an hanpo if you want to spend less money.