Brian

As I explained to Simon via pm, there is no need to delete an account. If anyone doesn't want to read or post, then simply don't read or post? Perhaps in the future things improve and you wish to post something..or someone makes an offer you can't refuse? Seems kinda pointless to me to deregister. There are lots of forums I once joined and now don't visit anymore. This is the internet. I think that when someone pushes for an account to be deleted instead of just going dormant, then it is more likely they are only trying to prove a point or make a statement, which does seem a little umm..er.. yeah. Many people have given you good reasons to stay, and thanks to all those who commented, whether good or bad. I have addressed a lot of it via pm's and emails a while ago, and have seen positive changes. Sometimes we just need to learn to have a thick skin, and accept that some will be blunt when telling the truth. It doesn't help anyone's education when we are all afraid to call junk, junk. However I have already addressed the issue of politely telling someone that, and backing it up with an explanation. Rudeness is not tolerated here. If you see it, report it! Bluntness is a fine line, so if you are going to be blunt, then I do expect an explanation of why you are saying that. There are far too many good posts and topics here to let a tiny percentage get to me. Isn't it human nature that we coast through the good stuff, and only climb on the soap box when we see something bad. Oh well..I tried, so in line with Simon's wishes, I will deactivate the account. All the best Simon, wish you well. Brian

They have just added 3 new articles that are well worth a read, including one on restoration/polishing, one light hearted one by Clive Sinclair and a good one on oshigata. Links are at: http://www.to-ken.com/articles/Preserva ... ishing.htm , http://www.to-ken.com/articles/JustKendo.htm and http://www.to-ken.com/articles/drawingoshigata.htm Membership is also open again for those interested. Regards, Brian

I cropped, rotated and resized to make them a bit easier to view, hope this helps someone. Brian

I have absolutely no idea where your mind goes sometimes Milt. Is there a Milt to English translation on Babelfish somewhere? :lol: :D Ok..'nuff of the OT now thanks folks. Brian

drbvac = Dr. Brian Barrett I am not going insane (Even though many of you are doing your best :lol: ) - B -

Hi Eric, Yep, Koto means old sword as opposed to Shin-to (new sword) and shinshin-to (new new sword) Generic terms used to describe the age of the blade. Koto are indeed from before 1596, although yours still needs to be verified to be of that age. O-suriage (shortened) and looks possibly worth a look at by a polisher to see what you have there. The gunto one has a typical Showa-era cast tsuba that I have seen on one of my gunto before. Brian

Brian, Don't go photocopying those monographs just yet They are still in print and I am sure still in copyright. http://www.wmhawley.com/products/monographs/ and http://www.wmhawley.com/products/books/ Regards, Brian

Just went back through this thread, and noticed a post or 2 that I seem to have missed. I will caution everyone to be careful what they state and how they state it. Case in point: Fake: - On this forum it will refer to a sword that has no connection to Japanese manufacture at all, or one that has been made up to look like something it is not. A bad condition Nihon-to is not a fake. It is a bad condition Nihon-to. A bad condition Kamakura-era tachi is not a fake because someone has let it rust and messed with the polish. Togishi have brought back remarkable swords before. A shin-gunto is not a fake. It is a machine made Japanese sword. Even if the mounts are messed with and switched for poor quality originals on a genuine blade, the sword isn't a fake. Fake infers that it is not traditionally made, and was made to deceive. A gunto can have an older nakago welded on to appear to be a Koto, but then that should be indicated in the description. There can be fine lines which we can (and should) easily clarify in describing them, but let's not start using the word fake unless it is in the commonly-understood context. This hobby is difficult enough without complicating things further. It is easy enough to type a few extra lines and explain what we mean sometimes, and it save us a few pages of meandering discussion that is not always necessary. Brian

Thanks Guido, some interesting facts there. So Stephen Spielberg bought a katana from Yoshindo Yoshihara? One of about 500 swords he has made so far. That is quite an achievement. Brian

Agreed, and I have been addressing much of that through private messages, and I must say that the reactions from most have been very positive. We must remember that the internet medium is notorious for not conveying tone very well, and it is easy to be taken the wrong way. I would aslo remind everyone that there is a "report post" function if you deem a post to be arrogant or rude, and each case is addressed fast. Let's all put in an effort to get along, understand the intentions of the other person, and above all, remember that the aim is to have fun, while dealing with a very ancient and serious subject. If anyone has an issues to address, rather contact me or a moderator and let's try and sort it out. Bottling it in until you reach breaking point is not constructive or beneficial to anyone Brian

Simon, I wish you well, and the forum is always here for you if you come across that sleeper Sadakatsu or Shinkai or whaever and feel like a discussion on it. No-one needs to "close" any forum accounts. If you choose not to read or post that is well within anyone's rights, but everyone is welcome here at any time. You know what they say "Times change, people change, currencies fluctuate" so check in from time to time, and you are welcome here anytime. Hope to catch you in Tokyo if I make it back there sometime. Regards, Brian

I think Guido is correct. You don't study inferior swords to learn about top quality blades. That doesn't mean there aren't people out there that collect militaria and Showa-to etc, and we do try and assist with identification and translations since there aren't many places to go for this info. But we don't study those swords in depth. Guido assists like many of the members here, in trying to identify what is the good stuff from the bad blades, and we try and help people to get to a point where they can identify what is worth keeping and restoring, and what might just be a representative piece. The idea is to use the forum as a basis for expanding your knowledge. Get out there and look at the best you have access to. Use books and the internet to guide you, but make sure you see as much as you can in hand. As Guido pointed out, there is always somewhere you can go to see some good swords..or keep studying until the opportunity presents itself. I don't believe it is elitist to say that you should strive to collect the best you can..or at least see it sometime and gain an understanding of what it is all about. The keyword is "study" This forum will continue to assist those who are starting out, or only have lower end stuff. We can assist in deciding if it is a fake, or what the mei says, or whether or not it has fatal flaws, or if it is a possible sleeper. We just draw the line at studing them in depth. We won't discuss the beauty of a machine made Gunto. You might get info on what it is, and what it says, and who made it (all in the appropriate sections of course) but I think that to explain why it isn't a good Nihonto collectors item is vital to furthering the study of Nihonto. I don't think we should mistake elitism for bluntness. Sometimes stating the facts is the easiest way to bring the point home. This doesn't mean genuine elitism will be tolerated, but I dont think we have a problem with that, and when it does occur, then it is dealt with. To get back to this particular thread, the OP was wondering if it had any merit as a possible restoration project. In the end, good advice was given and he decided against it. Perhaps the next person to come across something similar will remember this thread and have learned something. Asking before buying is an important part of what we are preaching here. The rest is up to people to take that advice and learn from it. Brian

Thanks Pete. Edited the Bushido links to correct them. Can't find the menuki article that used to be there, perhaps someone has an updated link or has backed up the article? Here is a short previous discussion: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=844 Brian

Was just going to post what Jacques wrote. Many people do practice Iai with live blades, or own them for sport. Sometimes if a blade just doesn't make it artistically enough, then it can be a good candidate for Iai. This can be due to a few flaws, chips or maybe the overall polish, and it isn't economical to restore fully. Iai swords don't mean non-traditional, but they need to be examined to see why they weren't sold as collector grade. Brian

Great site Martin, well done! Very attractive and easy to navigate. I will add it to the links page, and keep a watch on it. Brian

Thanks for that Curran. For the benefit of those just starting out with tsuba, would you care to offer just a few basic kantei points to look out for on this one, that lead to the attribution? Thanks, Brian

Thanks Guido and Keith, I think that is the definitive article on yokote. I don't enjoy discussing swords like this..as there is little to be learned about good swords, but as long as there is still debate whether they are fakes or not, I think we need to come to a conclusion for the benefit of those that come across them. Once identified, we can move on, no need to further discuss the merits..just the identification. Brian

Can only echo what Dino said. The more members..the more funds there are for worthwhile projects like this. Well done to Grey and the JSSUS. I will be eagerly awaiting the mail order sales, and will likely take a few copies for the collectors here. Also just received Grey's Index of Japanese Sword Literature, and it is also a stunning work that is a must have in any sword library. Brian

That looked like the remnants of a hadori finish to me, over the acid etched line. Brian

No yokote due to amateur polish (we see this often?) and hamon could look less regular if it had a proper polish, plus not impossible to have this hamon? Kaeri due to bad acid work or yakizume? Either way, this is the not really worth debating too much as that acid etch is terrible anyways :D Brian

Not a fake imho. Agree with most. Badly acid treated, and bad chips. Genuine mounts and went to war in them. I have my doubts about it being restorable, and I wouldn't spend that money on it. I would think that acid treatment follows the real temper line maybe, but either way it is too much of a gamble, nothing there really worth taking a chance at. Would be interested in knowing what makes it look like a fake? Condition aside, it has hada and all the rest is consistent with a low quality piece. Brian

Someone needs to tell him that isn't a socket yari. No signs of hamon or hada at all..I hope they are there after polish. Brian

John L, With excellent posts like that, I think we had better offend you more often. :D Thanks for that. I really do need to focus more on tosogu and get my own knowledge up, and hit the books I do own, and get the ones I don't. Regards, Brian

Yep, she was beautiful and unusual. Sakakura Gonnoshin Terukane. http://www.nihonto.ca/terukane/ There is a very lucky owner out there somewhere. Brian

Reinhard, I really don't mind people calling something crap as long as they elaborate on it and explain why, as you have done above. What you said is exactly what I was trying diplomatically to say too. Seems to me the artist has knowledge of the Japanese history and what he is trying to portray, but not the knowledge to do it in the Japanese way of a master tosogu artist. He clearly knows the subject matter, and this hints to me that he might be a more modern (non classical) tsuba apprentice or hobbyist? I agree with you on the waves, they are stylish but not Japanese to my eyes. I hope we can get more input from others here, as this is a good topic for debate, and something we can all learn from hopefully. Brian