Brian

This would have been a very interesting auction. The blade could be something really nice, or just average and unusual. Can't help thinking about the Gensui-to that Jim Dawson mentions in his book... http://www.stenger-scott.com/Export24.htm#PlateSP-1 but it is unlikely one of these got remounted in Shin-gunto mounts. Would love to see more of it. Someone contact the seller and refer him here. Brian

Congratulations and well done Morita san. I received mine a few months back. Been pretty lax in not posting a decent review, I will try and do one this weekend. It is a good book, with many sword variants that I haven't seen in print before. It is good value for money, and I think essential to the militaria dealers and those who crossover into militaty swords. Not as much for the Nihonto collectors, but it is good to be able to identify all the different mounts in case you come across an older remounted blade. I would have liked more on stamps and markings like F&G, but this remains a great book and one that belongs in the library. Brian

Jock, Bugs already apologised for any offence, and that is enough for me. He likely knows that PC does indeed produce a large range of quality, and I hear that they even make a forged and folded blade from (a version?) of tamahagane. So it is quite possible and even likely that this might be a better range from them. Don't judge purely from the stock photos that were posted. They were just to show the kanji useage. I am sure someone will link to the better range soon. This thread has already gone on far too long, so unless there is some useful info posted soon, I am going to lock it and let it slip away. Brian

Ahhh...I didn't make the connection between them, and I am sure Jock didn't either. I guess that settles it. These are quite well done apparently Brian

I also don't see the connection, in that I don't see that mei anywhere in the Paul Chen katana mei...but then I haven't examined it closely. The first mei looks vastly superior to the later Chen pics. No testing or anything here, just a connection not made. I also didn't see it as Paul Chen, however if we are confident that it reads as such, then I guess that's the end of the story. If that is the case, I would take that up with the seller strongly. Does anyone have an example of this 2 character Chen mei on any of the swords they produce? Brian PS - Once established, we will of course cease to discuss this blade, as we do not spend our time on repros. Just want to make sure everyone is 100% sure of the outcome.

I'll await confirmation from one of the better translators, but could it be a strangely written Masashige? 政 重 Otherwise the Tsugushige mentioned previously. Looks like a genuine blade, WW2. Not sure if Gendaito or not. There was a Masashige in Nagasaki. Brian

Well done and thanks for the pics and write-up Guido. As always, looks like you were a perfect host. The motto of these evenings should be "None shall escape sober!" :lol: Erol looks like he is learning the finer points of tsuba patination..."...and then you stir it around in the solution of 25 minutes until......" :D Some very esteemed guests there. I really have to make it over there again this year. Time to sell some goodies. Brian

Lee, Carlo was not correcting you. I think he was being very helpful, and pointing out how valid Darcy's points were. You seemed to be querying some of the observations, and I think he was being most polite about it. None of us knows who knows who else, and indicating someone's experience is helpful to anyone reading who isn't a regular here. The catalog pics he posted are very helpful, especially with regard to the yasuri..which are the diagonal filemarks. The input from everyone on this thread has been amazing, and about as much as you could ever hope for online imho. Thanks to everyone who posted Brian

With reference to Lee's concerns abou the cost of polishing, then shinsa, then removing the mei and then resubmitting....would waiting for a shinsa in the USA or elsewhere and not having work done before that be an option? If I had a sword like this that is likely gimei but is well done and might have a nice blade, I would consider at least having it polished and the kissaki repaired. That way you have a nice sword that is likely a well done gimei, and may have been done by a master forger that has collectibility in itself. I wouldn't leave it as is anyhow. Just my own opinion though. Brian

Thanks John, much appreciated. I had Heianjo in the back of my mind, but wasn't sure enough to come to a conclusion. The mix of certain traits would indicate to me the crossover work from late Edo with other influences. Thanks, Brian

Hi James, Not necessarily. Although it is usually the case, every time someone has tried to make the link between the showa stamp and oil quenched gunto...there have been confirmed exceptions to this rule. So while in most cases it does indicate that, there are swords that have had the stamp removed and were treated as gendaito. Also, there are other construction methods used during the war that are a step above the normal mill steel rolled construction. In this case, I do expect it was forged, although maybe not of traditional tamahagane, but I am not sure of the tempering method. You would need to look for signs of nie and hatraki, as well as hada if present. Nowdays I take the showa stamp as a hint to check for oil quenching, but I guess it isn't 100% proof. Most will be though, and exceptions are relatively speaking the exception not the rule. Brian

Just as an off topic...I have 9 nice Kerises in my collection Brian

Hi Ian, welcome to the forum and don't forget to sign all posts with a real name and initial at least. The sooner you get them identified and start the process of conservation, the better I think. Go ahead and post the pics, and we will assist to the best of our abilities. Check out the How-to forum for instructions on uploading pics, and making sure they are not too big. Othwise use one of the image uplodd sites. Look forward to seeing them. Brian Edit to add: I think we have a few Swedish members here if they are around. I know there was a Danish website (suspended currently) at http://www.tsunami.dk/ and a Finnish Nihonto forum that has been hacked http://www.nihonto.fi/index.html but I don't know of any Swedish sites.

Hi, I think I'll lock this topic now, as it is the same sword that has extensive discussion continued here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2932 Brian

Hi all, If there are any tsuba guys here, I am looking for a bit of info on this one. Just received it on a katana I purchased locally (that needs work..keep dremels away from swords!) and was wondering if anyone could give any info. Dimensions are 85mm wide x 92mm high, and 6mm thick at the mimi. Patina is a nice glossy black mostly. I hesitate to mention it, but there are shiny areas that seem to be remains of laquer, but I am not sure if that is pertinent or valid. Pics are sooo difficult to do properly. Much appreciated. Brian

Harvey, See if that blade can be dismounted from the fittings easily? I think there is a chance that this houses an earlier wakizashi blade, and might be forged. You see this occasionally. Can you see a hamon anywhere? Brian

Lee, that is a bit of a silly attitude. If you think firstly that a gimei sword is worthless, then you should look at some of the top collections, or send it to me where I will give it a good home. Secondly, everyone here had their doubts about genuine or not. That is already better than most get..where they are usually sure that it is gimei. This alone is enough for you to send it to shinsa. Do you expect to get a firm answer that it is genuine? Even in the best cases, with a name like this no-one is going to be 100% sure. You got a good reaction, and good advice to send it to Bob. You are not going to get anyone saying 100% it is right. If you get a few good comments from a few members that have knowledge, then that is a hint to now get it to someone who can examine it in hand. Bearing in mind that most of the work can only be seen in hand, and not in pics. A lot of guys went to a lot of trouble to do comparisons and show various points, and I think for an online forum you have great advice here. Now with what has been said here, assume gimei like we all do with big names, and get it to Bob or someone else or shinsa and hope for the best. I can assure you we would all love to be proven wrong in this case, and it turns out to be shoshin. Good luck with it, you still have a decent chance. Brian

David, If you check out the NMB links lage above, and read the description popups, I have tried to at least give the country where the dealer is, and maybe his name and other info that I was able to find. Obviously this can be expanded on, but it is a step closer. Of course this isn't a recommendation of any dealers, but info on most of them can be found by searching the forum. Regards, Brian

If there is one, I am pretty sure it will be updated immediately on the Nihonto Calendar website available from the links page. Then again, maybe you hear about it here first Brian

Lee, If there ever was a reason to send something to shinsa, this is it. None of us here can be 100% sure. You will never get a definite answer on a forum, just guidelines. However if the workmanship is as nice as you say, then it is worth polishing and submitting. It is close, but with every Kiyomaro I would assume gimei until proven otherwise. Send it to Bob Benson...he will tell you if it is worth going further. Unless the entire shinsa panel registers here and gives you a firm answer, get it looked at in hand by someone. Brian

WTF? Are you saying eBay has blocked you from viewing auctions based on your country of residence? If so..that is taking censorship just a little bit too far! Please elaborate on this a bit more, as this could be a huge issue. What if you are just browsing for info and research? I suggest logging out of eBay, and using an anonymiser proxy to browse. Brian

George, The serial numbers have no bearing on which arsenal manufactured it. There are tiny stamps usually next to the serial number and on the fuchi that indicate arsenal. Obviously totally machine made, and not Nihonto. But if it is indeed the wooden handle one with the cross hatching, those do fetch a premium, and can go up to $800 or more sometimes to militaria dealers. If you post a pic we can verify it for you, but info beyond that is unfortunately beyond the scope of our subject here. Brian

Well done Carlo! Who says sake cups don't help with swords. Brian

As Carlo so well expressed, this is indeed a touchy subject, and I am allowing it to continue thanks to the fact that you have all kept it civil and emotions aren't running wild. Let's keep it that way if we can, so that I don't have to lock it...just a pre-emptive note Thanks, Brian

Simon, I've dealt with him before, and am pretty sure it is a Gendaito. I also don't usually associate "kitau kore" with machine made blades, indicating something at least a step up from that. With the activity he mentions and what I can see, I am pretty sure it is at least handmade. You don't see much choji in oil tempered blades either. Not saying it doesn't occur, but it isn't typical. I am more used to seeing suguha or a regular sanbon-sugi. Brian