CuriosG Posted January 2, 2011 Report Posted January 2, 2011 I shoot documentaries and a friend of mine picqued my interest in the Honjo Masamune. Everything I've read suggests that a Sgt. Coldy Bimore brought back Masamune's greatest work from Japan and any mention of it disappears after that. Does anyone know of any government/private action in contacting Sgt. Bimore or his family? I imagine there must have been. Is there an acknowledged U.S. expert on the Honjo Masamune? The mythology of Japanese forging balanced against such rigorous application of science and technical expertise is fantastic, but the story of a lost treasure somewhere in the United States (a country with a very young history) only makes the story more compelling. I appreciate any suggestions or guidance anyone thinks worthwhile. Thank you Quote
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted January 2, 2011 Report Posted January 2, 2011 I appreciate any suggestions or guidance anyone thinks worthwhile. Here's mine Quote
Brian Posted January 2, 2011 Report Posted January 2, 2011 Hi "Curious George" (real first names are required please) If you are wondering why the odd reaction to the request...it is because the Honjo Masamune has a controversial history online. To get an idea, search this forum for Honjo Masamune and read the past threads. Even more info can be found by searching Swordforums (http://forums.swordforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14) but their database seems to be down at the moment and I hope they will be up soon. Anyways, this is a subject that is never going to get clarity, and is mired in incorrect assumptions. Brian Quote
Pete Klein Posted January 2, 2011 Report Posted January 2, 2011 Carlo -- that is priceless! ROFLMAO!!! Quote
CuriosG Posted January 3, 2011 Author Report Posted January 3, 2011 Thanks Brian. I got in touch with the JSSUS, who suggested this forum might be the best place to ask. I've looked over your forums and there seems to be almost no verifiable, current information available on the Honjo Masamune. Part of the fun in making documentaries is finding issues which are complicated and seeing how clearly you can present the story. The other forum is still unavailable, but thank you for the link. I've looked through the message boards and read some useful background information but haven't found anything on the current state. This seems to be a touchy issue. Thanks, George M (Just reread the guidelines, my mistake) Quote
k morita Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 Hi, George M According to a Japanese document, Sgt. Coldy Bimore was The 7h cavalry regiment. 騎兵第七連隊 You should look for the veterans organization. Quote
ububob Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 You might also check the 1st Cavalry Division. The 7th was part of that unit during the post-war years prior to the action in Korea. Quote
Wickstrom Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 My guess is it was probably traded not knowing what he had, ended up on the black market a couple years later and is now sitting in a rich collector's safe somewhere. It will eventually emerge in a couple decades, Much like all stolen cultural property ex. Marquise De Lafayette's saber, Kensington Runestone, maybe even one of the "original" Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi are still out there. Just have to wait until it gets to the right hands. 1 Quote
Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 Goerge, please be *very* careful with anybody claims to be the owner of this blade. There are morons searching for undeserved advertising and legitimation out there that can fool most of the ones not enough in the field and giving access to the media to them is definitively not what the Nihonto world needs, either the genuine blade is still in existance or not. My guess is that you'll end up with one of the shortest Nihonto documentary ever, anyway best whishes and apologizes for the harsh welcome. Quote
Ted Tenold Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 George, The information about Coldy Bimore has been documented for a very long time, as well as many other Occupation Forces personnel that were documented as having received certain famous swords. Albert Yamanaka documented them in his news letters many years ago. Those veterans have been sought out by collectors since that time so that avenue has long since been walked, but your first logical step would be to start there as well. Military personnel records can be searched by US Citizens under the Freedom of Information Act, but a huge number of service records were lost due to a fire in the archives warehouse back in the early 1970's. To get SGT. Bimore's record, you'd need his service number and a generous helping of luck that his record was not one of those lost. Best of luck in your pursuit. 1 Quote
Peter Bleed Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 Like many others, I read about "Sgt Coldy Bimore" in Saga Magazine in 1965, and even tried to do some research - way back in the pre-net era. Balancing what I did not find against what I was hearing from people who were in Japan at that time, I decided that fiction was the only accurate way of approaching what had appened. My story was called "National Treasure". You might enjoy it. Peter P.S. What do you suppose the Sgt's real name was, Gordon Vimorray, mebbe? Quote
Guido Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 http://www.amazon.com/National-Treasure ... 55&s=books for those who don't know the book/author. I enjoyed reading it shortly after it was published, but still wait for the movie - starring Nicolas Cage, perhaps? . Quote
Brian Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 Thanks Peter and Guido, sounds like a good (fictional) read. http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/submit ... store=ZVAB Some copies at excellent prices, think I will pick one up for a rainly day's reading. Brian Quote
Stephen Posted January 4, 2011 Report Posted January 4, 2011 starring Nicolas Cage, perhaps? Peter know im the lead in that movie ...hey it starts in Des Moines,,wish i handnt sold my copy..ill have to do some ebay digging. Quote
CuriosG Posted January 7, 2011 Author Report Posted January 7, 2011 Thank you everyone, all very interesting to read. I actually thought of National Treasure as well when I first read this story. Trying to find the lost treasure of Japan seems like the only treasure hunt you could engage on inside the United States. I'll likely make a few inquiries just to satisfy my own curiousity, and especially thanks for the warning on imposters, but hope one day to see the Honjo Masamune appear on Antiques Roadshow. Cheers, George Quote
Stephen Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 but hope one day to see the Honjo Masamune appear on Antiques Roadshow dont think theyd have a clue. Quote
David Flynn Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 I believe he was being facetious, Stepehn Quote
Ray Singer Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 Speaking of Soshu and the Antique Roadshow, a very interesting blade did surface at the Miami Beach event this past summer and no, they were not able to tell him anything about the sword. It was a 73cm daito, mitsumune, with niju kinmoku hakabi (sukashi mon) and kinzoganmei to Norishige. Fortunately someone at the show was able to put the owner in touch with a friend of mine and I was able to purchase the blade shortly afterwards. A wonderful soshu-den piece, but I'll try not to get overly excited until after shinsa... Quote
philliprelmore Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 George, The information about Coldy Bimore has been documented for a very long time, as well as many other Occupation Forces personnel that were documented as having received certain famous swords. Albert Yamanaka documented them in his news letters many years ago. Those veterans have been sought out by collectors since that time so that avenue has long since been walked, but your first logical step would be to start there as well. Military personnel records can be searched by US Citizens under the Freedom of Information Act, but a huge number of service records were lost due to a fire in the archives warehouse back in the early 1970's. To get SGT. Bimore's record, you'd need his service number and a generous helping of luck that his record was not one of those lost. Best of luck in your pursuit. I know these leads have been traced for years, but I recently came across some information that true researchers need to know. I know nothing of swords but would like to find the name of one or two researchers who would like to follow a lead that is absolutely authentic. I am a retired engineer who has no time for frivilous endeavors but I have information that needs to be documented. The soldier I know was at the palace the week following the surrender. What he knows does not need to die with him and he is very old and ill. He recently sold a treasure that came from the palace so the fact that he was there and was in possession of items taken from the palace is not for debate. My email is listed in my profile. phil Quote
Brian Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Phil, Emails are not visible to members. Please drop me a message and I will take it from there. Note that the Palace had nothing to do with this sword, as it was taken from a regional police station and was no-where near the Palace, but maybe he has info on other items or swords. Brian Quote
Fuuten Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Here's mine Rude but pretty funny.. Quote
Brian Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 It was also 4 years ago, and Carlo has a long history with the Honjo and this subject. So those who know the background understood exactly what he meant. Phil, please send me a private message or email to brian at nihontomessageboard .com Brian Quote
Kronos Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 [R]Elmore = Bimore? Was your Grandfather named Coldy by any chance? Quote
Brian Posted February 18, 2015 Report Posted February 18, 2015 Been there, done that. Not going there again. http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/13787-prewar-kokuho-and-juyo-bijutsuhin/ http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/15406-honjo-masamune-found-well-almost-maybe/ http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/15456-the-honj%C5%8D-masamune-again/ http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/392-honjo-masamune-translation/ Brian Quote
Guido Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 FWIW, nothing was ever taken from the imperial palace after the war. Quote
cabowen Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 You mean other than pride, authority, and godliness? 1 Quote
O-Yumi Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 To whom it may concern; There are a couple articles on this sword in the latest JSSUS newsletter. Just received my copy an Sat., 2/23/15. There's some interesting info there. John Quote
jutettsu8 Posted February 25, 2015 Report Posted February 25, 2015 i'd really love to see a documentary about Muramasa too Quote
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