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bigscipio

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hello and thanks for having me. i have a Japanese cane sword and i was wondering where to go to see if it is an antique made in the traditional manner. i took off the handle to look at the tang and it looks like someone filed down any characters that might have been on it. i'm located in hollywood california.

drbvac Mentor

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Well, I will at least offer a comment and a suggestion. The blades in cane swords are very often not of very high quality and are rarely ever signed or even real nihonto for that matter. Hard to comment on yours without any photos, as far as input from the board goes and I am 4 thousand miles from Hollywood so thats no good to you!

Toryu2020 Grand Master

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In 1877 wearing of the two swords as a badge of rank was outlawed - the class of Bushi (samurai) was dissolved, however certain individuals insisted on carrying a sword. Many old mumei blades and Kanbun blades were refit into Shikomi-zue (cane swords). In general these were not carried by the average stipend-less samurai but by gentlemen who could afford to have a sword custom-made. We find many unsigned and or less than spectacular swords in these koshirae because the folks involved understood what they were working with and generally did not mess with masterworks from an earlier period. However on occasion very fine swords may be found in such koshirae.

 

I should be interested in photos of your sword, nakago, blade, koshirae and all. Because they represent a very brief moment in Japanese history I find them all very intriguing

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estcrh Veteran

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In 1877 wearing of the two swords as a badge of rank was outlawed - the class of Bushi (samurai) was dissolved, however certain individuals insisted on carrying a sword. Many old mumei blades and Kanbun blades were refit into Shikomi-zue (cane swords). In general these were not carried by the average stipend-less samurai but by gentlemen who could afford to have a sword custom-made. We find many unsigned and or less than spectacular swords in these koshirae because the folks involved understood what they were working with and generally did not mess with masterworks from an earlier period. However on occasion very fine swords may be found in such koshirae.

 

I should be interested in photos of your sword, nakago, blade, koshirae and all. Because they represent a very brief moment in Japanese history I find them all very intriguing

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I have always read that Japanese sword canes had junk blades, I purchased this one thinking that was the case, but I have always wondered what was under the tarnish, the blade is quite sharp. The koshirae is well disguised and you cant tell that it is really a sword. 100_4508.jpg?t=1265672427 http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/estcrh/Antique%20Japanese%20sword%20cane/ 100_4504.jpg?t=1265672684
Toryu2020 Grand Master

Toryu2020

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Another feature that seems to be common is the use of different woods to effect another kind of wood(if that makes sense). For example your is made to look like bamboo. One that I have also looks very much like a dark piece of old bamboo but on close inspection it has a base of honoki but is then covered in Cherry bark...

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estcrh Veteran

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Another feature that seems to be common is the use of different woods to effect another kind of wood(if that makes sense). For example your is made to look like bamboo. One that I have also looks very much like a dark piece of old bamboo but on close inspection it has a base of honoki but is then covered in Cherry bark...

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Well dont just tell us about it....pictures????...its much harder to find pictures of the more unusual types of weapons than swords.

mdiddy Proficient

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Seriously - I had to dig my car out of 3ft of snow at BWI on Monday...without a shovel. Not for the faint of heart.

 

Here are pictures of the sword Mark mentions. It is a stout Shinto in shikomi-zue mountings. The sword does not look to have been 'trimmed' for the fittings and is very beefy/healthy. I am surprised it fits in the saya. It is signed 'Musashi ju Ishido Sakano Korekazu'. Perhaps a rare 4th or 5th gen. Itame hada, kani-no-hasami hamon though the claws look to form jewels in many spots. Very nice.

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Nobody Grand Master

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..... It is a stout Shinto in shikomi-zue mountings. The sword does not look to have been 'trimmed' for the fittings and is very beefy/healthy. I am surprised it fits in the saya. It is signed 'Musashi ju Ishido Sakano Korekazu'. Perhaps a rare 4th or 5th gen. ......

The mei of your sword reads 武劦住石道左近是一 (Bushu ju Ishido Sakon Korekazu). IMHO, the mei seems to be a pun. Genuine known Korekazu’s family name is not 石道 but 石堂.

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Toryu2020 Grand Master

Toryu2020

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All -

Took me a while to figure this out. Here are photos of my Shikomi-zue; a mumei piece papered to Hojoji Masahiro, extremely light wood, not sure if it is honoki which has been carved to look like bamboo and then covered in what appears to be cherry-bark. Hopefully from the photos you can see the seam that runs the length. Also it has an iron tip.

FWIW

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Grey Doffin Grand Master

Grey Doffin

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Stephen,

If you get the fishing pole don't try to glue the cracks. They are natural cracks from shrinkage in the bamboo and nothing will make them close up. If you put filler in the cracks you will only succeed in opening new cracks elsewhere, and then your filler will chip out and fall away. Best leave well enough alone.

Grey

Stephen Grand Master

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Yea Gray your right, it went past me so i dont have to deal with it. it would have just gotten a light oiling to slow down the cracking. Good for new members to know thanks

Ed Veteran

Ed

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Stephen,

Keep looking, maybe by the time you find one my new pond will be full of water and fish. Then you can mosey down south, sit on the bank and catch a mess.

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