Identifying Little Yari

[cuttingedge59]

Hi All

A recent visit to my collector friend has resulted in a study project on one of two originally mounted yari he has .

Said Yari has a 6 kanji mei which i am going to work on for a bit to translate .

My question of the board at this stage ( i suspect there probably will be a translation one at some stage)   is what would this style of yari be called.

I have searched and failed to find anything similar.

 

Sorry for the not so great pics  but only had my phone.

 

As always many thanks for any replies.

 

Regards

Chris NZ

 

[Ken-Hawaii]

Chris, if you let go of the nakago, it will be easy to tell what type of yari you have. It looks like a basic su yari, but check out http://www.ncjsc.org/gloss_yari.htm& you can decide for yourself.

 

Ken

 

[Geraint]

Dear Chris,

 

I can't quite see from your photos but if the yari is lozenge in section then it would be a ryo shinogi yari, amongst other descriptions.

 

Looks pretty.

 

All the best.

[Bugyotsuji]

If you can get a true side shot, it would make it easier. If the blade is straight, then a Suyari. If it is slightly waisted with a slightly bulbous rounded tip, it could be a ginnan-yari. (Gingko nut)

[Bazza]

The point shape to me suggests a yari with armour piercing capability.

 

BaZZa.

[Ron STL]

I suspect this is a 4-sided yari and as BaZZa said (hi mate) it would be made for piercing armor. I have a similar yari with that somewhat subby tip signed by "Biyo Osafune ju nen Yokoyama Ise no kami Sukehira." It is called MIJIKA yari by Knutsen. Ron STL  

[Bazza]

I did a search on mijika yari and got at least one seemingly useful hit.  It is a German website

 

http://budoforum.yuku.com/topic/2123/TeYari#.WPNowWclG70

 

and the text in Post #5 runs (the bold emphasis is mine to pick out mijika):

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Hallo Leute !
Tja euer Te-yari ist nichts anderes als der allseitsbeliebte Kago-Yari. Wie der Begriff Kago andeutet wurde das Ding mit Vorliebe in Sänften benutzt. ( Kann ich mir allerdings auch nur schwer vorstellen, daß ein gut gefalteter daimyo in seiner Kago damit was machen konnte )
Ansonsten geistert dieses Ding auch unter solchen Namen wie
"Ko-Yari" oder "Mijika-Yari" durch die Lande.
Dementsprechend war die gnomenhafte Koshirae der Klinge die auf dem Schloß gesichtet wurde mit Sicherheit O.K.

Was die Klinge und die Nakago dieser Waffen angeht, so sind es meisten stink normale Sankaku Yari oder kleine Ryo-Shinogi-Yari.
Allerdings gibt es diese Winzausführung von Yari in allen Formen. Ich selber hab gerade noch so ein Ding da. Ein hübscher kleiner Shinshinto Tate-Tori-Jumonji-Yari. ( Das Ding hat noch mehr Kanten als ein einfacher Jumonji-Yari,mir grault es jetzt schon vor dem Teil.......)
Auf jeden Fall ist die mittlere Klinge nur 16 cm lang und die yari no eda ( die Ärmchen ) haben einen Abstand von 9 cm. Ein echter Zwerg. Trotzdem ist die Nakago satte 35 cm lang.

Naja meine Schleifsteine schreien nach mir. Bis dann.
Stefan Wuttke, Togishi/Moderator Nihonto

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The OP in the above thread was asking about Te-yari.  There may be something useful here for our German-speaking friends.

 

BaZZa.

[cuttingedge59]

Hi

Thanks for the many replies.

Unfortunately  at this time these are the best photo's I have .other than a couple of the mei .

I would call it a four sided blade as each side has two distinct plains  so a MIJIKA Yari it may be .

 

Will start to work on the Mei .

 

regards

Chris Nz

[Ron STL]

I had to go back to Knutsen and check out mijika yari, but can not find that reference again. Attached shows "Figure 21, Su-yari forms" from the book that shows this shape. It is described as: I-cho-yari or ginanbo-yari. These blades are usually 4-sided with a very blunt shaped tip that is intended to punch a hole through armour..." I took a couple photos of three "short yari" including the stubby shaped I-cho-yari (which is, I guess, one name for the shape). Of the other two yari, the middle one is signed long...Chikuzen...Nobukuni and the other, Chikuzen Yoshikane. Lovely yari with surprising hataraki.

Ron STL

[Bugyotsuji]

Nice example on the left Ron. As mentioned in my post above, a gingko nut shape is a "Gin-nan-po/bo". ('Gin-nan' is closer to the Japanese than Knutsen's 'ginan'.)  'Icho' is as you say simply another form ('Icho-no-ki' is a gingko tree). Somewhere around here I ran a thread on three of my examples.

[cuttingedge59]

Ron

Thanks for posting the photo's , I would think that the yari I posted is in fact nearly identical to the one on the left in your photo . Possibly I am guessing a little longer .

neat group of yari by the way .

My one as mentioned is one of two that are mounted in what would be described as Ashigara issued yari.

Plain wooden pole arms with iron foot pieces. Around 6 foot in length .

 

chris NZ

[Bugyotsuji]

Hi Chris, for further comparison, here is the link. Found at last.

 

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic/14310-bakumatsu-kaei-ginnan-po-yari-osafune-sukesada/?hl=%2Byari+%2Bginnan

[Ron STL]

Thanks for the link to earlier discussion. I find it fascinating; must save this information to my file on the yari. Perhaps one or so of these yari will be found at the Chicago show next week? Ron STL

[Marius]

The point shape to me suggests a yari with armour piercing capability.

 

 

 

As any other yari, for that matter.

[Bazza]

As any other yari, for that matter.

Marius, I'm not competent to argue this point, beyond saying that the shape of the point determines the penetrating power when it comes to armour piercing and somewhere in my past I've picked up that sharper points (as in any other yari) don't have the penetrating power that blunter shapes possess.  I'm guessing that sharper points collapse on themselves when hitting armour.  Can anyone with particular knowledge comment???

 

Bestests,

BaZZa.

[Carlo Giuseppe Tacchini]

Depends on the armor and depends on the yari. Too many factors and a bit of generalization....