cabowen Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Usually the kikusui mon is associated with works made during WWII at the Minatogawa Tanrenjo at the Minatogawa Jinja. Recently I have seen a few WWII era blades with the kikusui that were not made by Minatogawa smiths being sold as "Kikusui-to". Apparently it was possible to order a kikusui applied to one's blade. Be wary of those selling a blade with the mon as a "Kikusui-to", which is what Minatogawa blades are often called, if the smith is not a listed Minatogawa smith. For example, this blade is in kaigunto koshirae. Sakai Shigemasa did not work at the Minatogawa Jinja..... Or this one by Kawashima Tadayoshi: Or this one by Seki Masafusa: Here is a Minatogawa Kikusui-to to compare to: Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Chris, is it the exact same stamp/engraving as on the Minatogawa Jinja swords when you compare them ? Size and shape etc. KM Quote
cabowen Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Posted November 24, 2012 See above....I would say very similar. I wonder if there may have been an engraving service used for all of these??? Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Probably not, since with the original you posted the lowest stripe of the Kikusui mon is much closer to the one above, and more crisp as far as I can see. But, it would be interesting to find out whether several smiths used the [Mon], and if it could just be ordered. KM Quote
Jean Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 But, it would be interesting to find out whether several smiths used the Hamon, and if it could just be ordered. H-J, Hamon???? Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Sorry Jean !!!! My apologies, I edited it. Long day. KM Quote
george trotter Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 Hi all, In past years I have seen an example of a gunto blade with the kikusui mon on the blade...just in front of the habaki...I have also seen the kikusui in the hamon (so you were not dreaming Henk-Jan)...I can't remember now if these were the same blade or two blades...they/it was definitely not Minatogawa and I remember them/it as "not gendaito"...probably showato. The kikusui usage was more widespread than most imagine. Regards, Quote
kusunokimasahige Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 Thank you George, you mean this type of Hamon of course : KM Quote
george trotter Posted November 28, 2012 Report Posted November 28, 2012 Yes, that's it...the hamon kiku I saw was also just a short way in front of the habaki...interestingly I have also seen Mt Fuji in the same way. Regards, Quote
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